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1. Hi Joel, thank you for that perspective on the treaty alliance. I am new to your site this week and am learning so much. I have a question regarding the antichrist, as you mentioned that Kushner is definitely not him. I see two antichrist figures throughout prophesy- one appears to be a Nimrod type- the Assyrian- probably Muslim. I won’t bother with scripture refs as you know them. But the other appears to be a Jew. Jesus referenced a man who would come in his own name who the Jews would receive as the prophet Moses spoke of (John 5:43: “I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.”)
   (Deut. 18:15: “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,“ )
   As they rejected Jesus as this Prophet, they are still looking for one from their midst, their brethren. They are looking for a Jew.
   Furthermore, Daniel 11:22 seems to refer to two men: “him” [ie. the “vile person”, 11:21 & Nahum 1:14] and “also the prince of the covenant” [Dan.9:26,27] of which said “covenant” appears to be referenced throughout ch. 11 (vs. 28, 30, 32)
   Am I mistaken in seeing two men in Daniel 11, one Muslim and one Jewish… aka. the “beast” and “false prophet” of Rev. 13?
   Thanks, Joel.

2. The first 10 minutes of the video Joel you are speaking about what is really going to happen. It will be Shiite kingdom of the north (likely Shiite crescent) vs Sunni kingdom of the south (Arab NATO alliance). The north will be Hezbollah (Lebanon), Assad regime (Syria), Iraq, Iran and Hamas. The south will be an alliance of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and a couple other gulf nations in the Arabian Peninsula. The south will be Israel friendly and sign a covenant (treaty or alliance) with them. I believe in all honesty this will actually be the covenant with death. Because Israel has to sign a covenant with muslim nations that gets annulled by the midpoint of the final 7 years. Remember the AC defeats the kingdom of the south before coming against Israel at the time of the abomination of desolation. This is when the covenant is annulled and Israel is trampled by the Antichrist’s armies. I believe the covenant with death is different from the covenant with many. Because the covenant with many is the AC, not Israel confirming a covenant with many. I believe he will confirm the Shiite crescent or something like that. I believe the inner Islamic nations mentioned above will be destroyed at Armageddon. That area is where the kingdom of God will be. Then after the 1000 yr reign Gog of Magog will lead outer Islamic nations against the kingdom of God which is at REST dwelling safely without walls, bars or gates. Notice the nations involved are outside of the nations I mentioned above. You have Turkey where Gog is from, you have what is left of Iran after God destroys Elam (southwestern Iran), you have Libya and then Sudan. All these nations are just outside the nations that make up the beast.

3. Joel:

   Thank you for making your books accessible via PDF versions. I have been unable to work due to severe health issues and, therefore, unable to buy your books as I have wanted to. I have downloaded and read the Islamic Antichrist – a very well developed and exceptional book. It provides a comprehensive view of Islam as well as the Islamic Antichrist and False prophet. Thank you for your ministry and generous provision of your exceptional and timely books. It is deeply appreciated.

   David

4. Joel I got two serious question that should be answered. One is where are the “inner Islamic nations” in the Gog of Magog invasion? Where is Lebanon (Tyre, Gebal, Zidon), Syria (Damascus), Iraq (Babylon, Assyria, Asshur, land of Nimrod), Iran (Elam), Gaza (Philistines), Jordan (Ammon, Edom, Moab), Egypt (Hagarenes, king of the south), Arabia? Because clearly according to Psalm 83 these nations are destroyed by God in the end times and God (Jesus) doesn’t come back until Armageddon. So why aren’t these nations mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39 if Gog and Magog and Armageddon are supposedly at the same time? Question two is in Isaiah 14 the Assyrian/king of Babylon is NOT buried with his hordes in fact the beast and false prophet (Antichrist) are cast ALIVE into the lake of fire in Revelation. Gog on the other hand IS buried in a mass grave with his hordes. Why is this if they are supposedly the same person?

5. In brief, Ezekiel 38-39 is not a comprehensive list of every nation in the invasion. Instead, it simply highlights the main outer nations, one from each corner of the compass. Turkey in the North, Persia in the east, Cush in the south, and Libya in the west. Elsewhere, however, for example in Ezekiel 30, Egypt and Arabia are also listed as part of “the people of the land who are in league” who are judged specifically in the “day of the Lord” when Jesus returns. Furhter, Mr. Salus misidentifies some of the nations in his list. Egypt for example is not listed in Psalm 83. The Hagarenes are not Egypt. They may have originally come from Egypt, but when Psalm 83 was written, they lived in central Jordan. Further, Psalm 83 does list Assur (Assyria), which is indeed part of the Ezekiel 38-39 list. When Psalm 83 was written, Assyria spaned Iraq, Syria, and all of eastern Turkey. In Ezekiel 38-39, Gomer and Beth Togormah are eastern Turkey and coorelates to Assur in Pslam 83. The real problem, the huge problem for the Psalm 83 War theory is explaining how all of the nations listed there are all judged when Jesus returns if they were all destroyed many years previously:

   https://joelstrumpet.com/the-psalm-83-war/
   https://joelstrumpet.com/muslim-demographics-and-the-great-delusion/
   https://joelstrumpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Identifying-the-Gog-Magog-Invaders-1.pdf

   These explain some common misunderstandings regarding the death and burial of the Antichrist/Gog:

   https://joelstrumpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Thrown-Alive-into-the-Lake-of-Fire.pdf
   https://joelstrumpet.com/burial/

   Blessings!
   Joel

6. I guess what I’m saying is I believe there are two big end time wars. I believe when you take Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 and other prophecies and put them together it shows that the inner Islamic nations that surround Israel will come against her at Armageddon. This is what I believe will happen. The Shiite crescent is an entity that kind of exists today it’s just not at full strength. It is a geopolitical alliance of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad regime in Syria, Iraq and Iran, I also believe Hamas will join them. I gave there biblical names in my last post. I believe in the last days according to Daniel 11 that kingdom of the north vs kingdom of the south will revive. We know the beast has the feat of a bear (Persia/Iran), the mouth of a lion (Babylon/Iraq) where the beast empire is voiced from. It also has a body like a leopard. I believe this is talking about the area of the beast. In Daniel 2 the 3rd empire of brass is the Grecian empire, the belly is when it was one empire under Alexander the great, the “2” thighs of brass represent something just like the “2” arms of silver represent Media and Persia. I believe these “2” thighs are kingdom of north and south (Seleucid and Ptolemiac). So when it says body like a leopard it’s talking about the area of the kingdoms of north and south. So I believe the AC will rise in Iraq, since he is called both the king of Babylon and the Assyrian and is associated with the land of Nimrod (Micah 5). I believe Trump’s peace plan will be unveiled in the coming months and It will be rejected at first but will be implemented somehow by 3 Persian gulf states and maybe Egypt. All I know is in the end I believe there will be some sort of alliance between 3 Persian gulf states, maybe Egypt, and Israel will SIGN on as well. I believe this is the covenant with death because Israel made a covenant with a handful of Islamic nations. Around this time the AC will arise. He will subdue the 3 kings of the Persian gulf nations. He will then CONFIRM the Shiite crescent (make a league with himself) and become strong with a small people (Shiites). He will then go to war with Egypt (king of the south) all the while Jordan (Ammon, Edom, Moab) will escape out of his hands. Jordan is proposed to be part of this Arab NATO alliance but won’t join I believe (I heard the upcoming peace deal is not good for Jordan/Palestinians). Remember in Daniel 7 the first thing AC does when he rises to power is he subdues “3” kings, in Daniel 8 the first thing is he waxes great toward the south. So when you put the two together he waxes great toward the south and subdues “3” kings. So if hes from Iraq he would subdue “3” kings in Arabia since its the only thing south of Iraq on the map. Nation against nation is Iraq vs 3 nations in Arabia. After that kingdom against kingdom is Shiite crescent (north) vs Egypt (south) with Jordan escaping out of his hands (but submit to him later). So I believe the 10 kings are the leaders of Hezbollah, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Hamas, Jordan, Egypt, and 3 subdued kings from Arabia. They come against Israel at the midpoint of the final 7 years and tread in her palaces for 42 months. The hordes of these nations are in the valley of decision and on the mountains surrounding Israel when Christ returns at Armageddon. The beast assembles to fight Christ and his army at that time. Christ destroys these nations and his kingdom replaces theirs. Satan who possessed the AC is bound in the bottomless pit for 1000 years (Millennium). Then he is loosed from the pit and possesses Gog who deceives the nations (Rev. 20) and gathers together Turkey, what’s left of Iran after God destroys Elam (southwest Iran), Libya and Sudan. They encompass the kingdom of God who are at REST (God’s thousand years of rest) dwelling SAFELY without walls, bars or gates. And God whipes them out with hail fire and brimstone. The end

7. Isaiah 17, Psalm 83, Ezekiel 383-9 all culminate together at the same time at the Day of the Lord when Jesus returns. Daniel 8 seems to indicate that there are a few wars.

8. I think we believe a little differently on Daniel 8. I believe the ram in ancient Medio-Persia and the he goat is Grecia and the notable horn is Alexander the great. The Grecian empire (he goat) defeats the ram (Medo-Persia). When the notable horn is broken that is when Alexander dies. His empire was divided amongst four of his generals Cassander, Lysimichus, Seleucus and Ptolemy. Out of one of those four divisions comes a little horn in the end times. This little horn is the AC. Daniel 11 tells us that he is the final king of the north. So that means he rises out of the area of the Seleucid empire. The Seleucid empire was mostly Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran and some of Turkey and Afganistan.. But the beast has the feet of a bear (Persia/Iran) and a body doesn’t extend beyond the feet, so the farthest east the beast can go is Iran. So at most the kingdom of the north can include Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. But there are two things that make me think Turkey isn’t involved in Armageddon. One many scholars say that Turkey was given to Lysimachus and not Seleucus, meaning it was never actually part of the kingdom of the north. Two and this is something that can’t be ignored. There is already an entity forming that combines Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran and its a Shiite entity, Turkey is Sunni. Remember the Antichrist’s kingdom is a DIVIDED kingdom and the statue in Daniel 2 its feet and toes is iron (Sunni) and clay (Shiite) mingled together. But they do not fully cleave one to another and BOTH still exist at the return of Christ. I find it very interesting that you have a Shiite crescent forming north of Israel that wants to wipe Israel off the map. And you have a handful of Sunni nations south of Israel that are warming up to Israel and want to form a security alliance with Israel after the Israeli-Palestinian issue is resolved. I also believe these Sunni nations will support the peace plan and pressure the Palestinians to accept it. My own personal prediction is Saudi crown prince Mohammed Bin-Salman is the prince of the covenant In Daniel 11:22. I believe he is the one who will make a peace deal stick and cause the alliance to form.

9. There will be more than two wars though you are right. I was thinking two BIG wars that God himself is involved in, Armageddon and one after the Millennium. But there is the Antichrist’s nation vs 3 weak nations when he subdues 3 kings. And there is kingdom of the north vs kingdom of the south (kingdom against kingdom/Matthew 24).

10. This is the traditional interpretation of Daniel 8 that I also used to hold. It actually some big problems.

11. Hi Joel,

    How do you see the latest political earthquake in Israel affecting Trump’s plan?

12. Most certainly possible. I’m sure they were hoping that Bibi remained in.

13. What if the spirit of antichrist is just exactly that… a deceiving spirit that is a counterfeit to the Spirit of God? What if that spirit is not embodied in a cult of personality, primarily at first, but is a spirit that possesses men of power and cultures within all political schemes not aligned with the Gospel but aligned with “the man” of the time… “Get behind me… satan”.

    We should be wary of men, we should discern in God’s Spirit, those who are fashioned in our minds and someone who we look to rather than Yahweh for our worth-ship… we may find our very own King Saul is what God gives us.

14. Great analysis of the situation Joel… I wonder if you plan to do an update…. did I just miss the update?