• Linda keyes
    Posted at 18:10h, 12 June

    You’ll never guess Joel,
    I was in town sharing with some muslim guys, and they tried to discredit the Bible because it teaches that the earth is flat!

    I felt quite down when I got home, as I didn’t know any one I could confidently direct any Muslim to if I needed.

    The very next day, I meet a whole group of people people giving out gospel tracts, two of them from Bulgaria! Amazingly they told me their Pastor and his wife are ex Muslims from Africa, I couldn’t believe it, and right in my back yard. Going to visit next week.

  • shawn brandom
    Posted at 18:30h, 12 June

    Thanks Joel, I have seen at least one person who was or still is a flat earth kind of person. Haven’t seen him for sometime now. One thing that I discovered when I was trying to understand this guy, was a book. urantia???huge book over 2000 pages. Somehow this book and flat earthers go together. I dunno how though. Thank you Brother!

  • Joel
    Posted at 19:24h, 12 June

    The Qur’an says that the Sun sets into a muddy swamp.

  • Linda keyes
    Posted at 03:07h, 13 June

    Excellent point Joel, I forgot that at the time.
    I did show him what scripture does say: earth is a Sphere, suspended on northing.

    Been trying to find copies of that Jerry matrix book , dear Muslim friend,(for one guy in particular) in the UK, but no bookshop can get it. I looked at your store, but see it’s part of a bundle.

    Would be helpfull to know where about five copies at a time could be purchased.

    Sorry to be a pain.

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:29h, 13 June

    Hi Linda,

    Yes, actually I’ve been meaning to do that on the store. Just send me an e-mail and I we can arrange that. Joel@joelstrumpet.com

  • Kaye Montell
    Posted at 05:58h, 13 June

    Sorry Joel I had posted on wrong underground episode. Thx Kaye

  • Kaye Montell
    Posted at 05:59h, 13 June

    Please do an episode on the false prophet I know you disagree but I think this Pope is a good fit for that. Thx Kaye

  • Leo Watson
    Posted at 09:43h, 13 June

    Thanks Joel,
    I enjoyed your rebuttal of the flat earth deception. I also enjoyed your rebuttal of the September 23 Sign non-sense. I was reading the morning in II Peter 3 about the people who would say, Where is the promise of His coming? This would be the result of the years of date setting that has plagued the Church in the last hundred years.

    What happened to Episode 71 from yesterday? I went to see more comments on it. It was gone.

    Keep up the the good work and thank you.
    Leo Watson

  • Joe T
    Posted at 10:21h, 13 June

    Hi Joel, why then do you believe in YEC since there’s also (supposedly) overwhelming scientific evidence against that? Are you being inconsistent? Thanks.

  • Katelyn Sawatzky
    Posted at 15:38h, 13 June

    Also… space photography… lol!! This is honestly the craziest thing I’ve ever heard.

  • Wading Across
    Posted at 18:58h, 13 June

    Yeah… As with many things, for all the correct proofs and truths, Flat Earthers have their own, and if the person is not one for being wrong, for accepting that they can be wrong, they’ll be very stone-headed about it, beating the issue like a dead horse until you give up out of exasperation, claiming victory.

    As a geographer and person who works with geospatial data daily, I work with taking data based on a real, round world and viewing it in a two dimensional “map”. There’s a lot of science, math, discovery and history behind cartography and GIS, with way too many people involved. We’re not hiding a flat Earth. Not to mention that it’s more incredulous and difficult to believe that idea of a round earth is a great global conspiracy by the very nature of geopolitics and history. Really… So, numerous nations, cultures and civilizations, many of whom have and do vociferously disagree with each other are all going to agree to dupe their people into believing that the Earth is round so that they can individually rule over them? Geopolitical entities can barely, rarely agree on anything for long, but we’re supposed to believe that the Communists decided to go along with the Czarists about the globe and the Communists would also agree with the West during the height of the Cold War? Or that North Korea or China in their vying for power over the West would agree with the West about the Earth?! Grand conspiracies are often far harder and convoluted to believe than the truth.

    Lastly, before I get off my soap box, from a technical point, the Earth can be proven round due to the fact of the numerous geographic coordinate systems used in order to accurately reflect each region when focused on that region.( yeah, that’s a mouthful). Yep, the Earth isn’t round, it isn’t really even a slight ellipse. It’s more like a slightly smooshed, lumpy orange. This is because of the internal forces of gravity affecting the crust differently across the globe. And then there’s tectonics. Australia has to update their coordinate system because over the past two or three decades their continent has shifted one meter.


  • Joel
    Posted at 10:25h, 14 June

    71 is still there. Hasn’t gone anywhere.


  • Joel
    Posted at 10:27h, 14 June


    I strongly lean toward YEC, though its possible that this is not the case. Not contradictory, as these are two completely different issues. I cannot observe the answer to that matter with my eyes one way or the other.

  • Leo Watson
    Posted at 17:24h, 14 June

    Joel, the last episode showing on The Underground link is episode 70.

  • Joel
    Posted at 19:48h, 14 June

    When I click the link it takes me to all of the latest Underground episodes, including #71. Alternatively jut click “The Underground” on the menu bar. If using an iPad or iPhone, click the horizontal lines and the menu list will open up. For just episode 71, click here:


  • Linda keyes
    Posted at 02:26h, 15 June

    No need to print this

    Like Leo, episode 71 doesn’t seem to be in the menu selection, but does on your YouTube channel.

  • Joel
    Posted at 09:50h, 15 June

    Its there for me.

    What does this link take you to?


  • Linda Keyes
    Posted at 10:28h, 15 June

    That link does take you to 71.

    But the first link goes to 70.

    When you go to menu /underground, it starts at 70.and 71 is not there.

  • Robin Carpenter
    Posted at 11:12h, 15 June

    Wow, Joel…as always, I appreciate your admonishment for us to be responsible in our study of the scriptures. There seems to be such an astounding lack of discernment in the body of Christ these days. Thank you for your faithfulness in serving our Lord!

  • Lynn Churchman
    Posted at 08:07h, 18 June

    Hi Joel,
    What would be the point in believing in a flat earth anyway?!
    The mind boggles…

  • marty runik
    Posted at 11:22h, 18 June

    I wasn’t aware this was something that lots of Christians were believing. It’s sad this kind of video even needs to be made.

  • Joel
    Posted at 21:45h, 19 June

    The Bible uses the language of what could be considered a flat earth model. Thus folks feel it necessary to accept this as scientific fact, when it is quite clearly not the case.

  • Elaine Fifield
    Posted at 20:32h, 20 June

    Thank you so much for posting this teaching. My son first heard about this theory about a year ago and seemed to be quite ‘taken’ with it. I found the whole idea ludicrous and disturbing. The next day as I was walking at sunset, I looked up at the moon and the Lord gave me one of those ‘aha’ moments when the thought came to me “the moon is round’!! I told him of my experience and that was the end of the discussion from my perspective, so I have no idea what he believes at this point. However, I do know that he values and respects you and your ministry so I just sent him the link.. I am praying that the truth you present in this video will resonate with him.

    I was quite shocked to learn that this is such a pervasive teaching in the Body of Christ right now. I have been a disciple of Jesus for 35 years now – since I was 33 years of age – and find it very alarming to see how much deception has invaded the Church in a relatively short period of time.

    Thanks again for all the work you do. You are an inspiration!!

  • Joel
    Posted at 11:03h, 21 June

    Hi Elaine,

    I could not agree more.

    Blessings, Joel

  • David Tutwiler
    Posted at 14:24h, 21 June

    Hi Joel,

    Thanks again for donating the books I requested to the Boise Rescue Mission.

    This is a question a bit off-topic so I hope it’s OK to ask.
    Your logo: Can you tell me how/where that eight pointed star with the crown of thorns inside came about?


  • Joel
    Posted at 16:10h, 21 June

    Hi David,

    I designed it. The eight pointed star of course is commonly used in Arabic tile work, architecture, and design. The crown of thorns obviously represents the King of the Jews and His heart for the Arab and Muslim world.

  • Taryn Daley
    Posted at 10:18h, 22 June

    The dwarves in CS Lewis’s “The Last Battle” come to mind. They sit imprisoned in the dark stable and finally choose to rely on their cunning over their faith and all they can decide is “the dwarves are for the dwarves.” This leads them to commit acts so ignorant that they are virtually suicidal, as all they possess to inform their cunning is the darkness by which they are immediately surrounded.

  • Fred Watkins
    Posted at 18:21h, 24 June

    Isaiah 40:22 it is he who sits above the CIRCLE of the earth

  • Joel
    Posted at 22:05h, 24 June

    Amen. The Lord sits above the circular sphere of the earth.

  • Stacy H
    Posted at 18:24h, 25 June

    Joel, is this part of the last days spirit of deception that the Bible talks about? I’ve always assumed that the deception was directly related to “even the elect” choosing to follow the AC, but perhaps it’s a broader deception of falling for false Gospels within the church, and things like going back to believing in a flat Earth?

    It’s just baffling to me, that this is even a thing, and within the church no less.

  • Joel
    Posted at 18:35h, 25 June

    I would not call this part of the actual end time deception per se. Its more of evidence of a general lack of discernment and a tendency of many Christians to be quick to embrace all matter of wild conspiracy theories. My concern is not merely with the bad witness it provides for the Church as the world looks at this and simply shakes it head, (quite legitimately) but also the level of accusation that is required to embrace such a view. One cannot be a flat farther without claiming that multiplied tens of thousands of Christians globally are involved in the single greatest purposeful cover up and deception.

  • shawn
    Posted at 21:57h, 25 June

    The defense of this “thing” is fierce Joel. I just read some comments on you tube on this video.. It seems to me by just the comments alone, in defense of flat earth that this “thing” has become a sort of “god” for those who fiercely defend it. Makes me wonder what’s next. One fella even said there is no such thing as space. HUH? Moon walks are a series of animated clips edited together and the list goes on…Love will win on this one Always does!!

  • Kirk
    Posted at 08:32h, 26 June

    Joel, thanks for the very explicit and common-sense way you present the case to easily debunk the flat-earth hypothesis. As a scientist and Christian myself who believes the Bible and is aware of literary poetry in the Bible, I am glad that you courageously sent this out. As you know, there is one other passage in the OT that clearly mentions the ‘circle of the earth’…Isaiah 40:22: “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. While there is lyrical poetry in this verse too, e.g., people like grasshoppers, the heavens like a tent, etc., there appears to be a clear reference here to a circular object.

  • Joel
    Posted at 09:04h, 26 June

    Thanks Kirk,

    I actually wish I had been far more clear and specific on several of the points I made. Unfortunately, based on the kind of responses I have received thus far, I am doubtful it would have helped. Most have resorted to name calling, but no one has responded to a single point I’ve made. Its really depressing the degree to which folks are bound and determined to believe something that they can so easily observe is simply not real.


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