• Ken Smelko
    Posted at 09:22h, 15 February

    Very good statement. I try to stay grounded through all of the opinions of bible scholars and the exegesis of eschatologists through the words of Jesus Christ. If all things were made through him and he is literally the Word of God, then he is the “holy ghost writer” who dictated to the writers of the the entire bible. This is why the Olivet discourse is so powerful. Jesus himself verbally outlined the 70th week of Daniel to his followers, and later expanded on it in the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John at Patmos. The most significant clue/warning that He gives in the discourse is “when you see the Abomination the makes desolate, spoken of by Daniel the prophet … This is the most vivid sign that we are to look for, but the end is not yet. Speculation of blood moons, and the great sign of the woman, eclipses, who’s the AC etc is there to confuse and confound the elect. The problem for people is that when the Abomination is set up, the realization will set in that the AC has taken over the world and the Great Tribulation has begun. Fear, panic, and lawlessness and war -will unfold and the persecution of Jews and christians will begin. People don’t want to accept it, even though Jesus Christ has said it. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

  • Kevin Bartel
    Posted at 09:57h, 15 February

    September 23, 2017 is not going to be any revelatory date. Although the uniqueness of the events in the stars with the planets and virgo during this time is what’s important. that exact date is irrelevant. it’s powerful that it’s happening in these times. Now what IS interesting is the 10 Jubilee prophecy of Rabbi Judah ben Samuel, which prophesied Donald Trump exactly 10 jubilee’s from his date. Donald trump was born June 14 1946, first day as president was exactly 70 years 7 months and 7 days on Jan 21 2017. a man for Israel. Jerusalem Post is calling him a modern day Cyrus. This is the jewish year 777. President Donald Trump and vice president Mike Pence when put together even sound like trumpets (trump+pence).

    What’s happening is we are entering into the age of Aquarius, this sign in the heavens is signifying of birth pangs during this switching of the procession of the equinox. Ultimately the earth will roll out of its place and we will get new heavens, meaning new constellations. And all will be fulfilled.
    But the temple has to come and everything prior to this.

  • Taryn
    Posted at 12:51h, 15 February

    My husband and I want in on the bet on your side. We’ll raise it to a million. And we totally don’t have it in the bank.

  • Joel
    Posted at 14:56h, 15 February


  • Eric Harris
    Posted at 17:16h, 15 February

    Hi Joel, you mention that the true alignment of the stars to fulfill this sign happened in the first century. What was different about the alignment then as opposed to now?

  • Joel
    Posted at 17:22h, 15 February

    Hi Eric,

    Briefly, there is much that was unique that year. First and foremost of course was the fact that the King was born within the window that was defined by the prophets. I highly encourage you to get a copy of Dr. Heiser’s new book, Reversing Hermon. He has a whole chapter that addresses this topic—the many signs that all aligned that year. It was much more than just the stars. Rather it was a combination of biblical prophecies and the celestial alignment. Likewise, the Star of Bethlehem is worth watching as well. Also, to verify the things I state in the video regarding Jupiter, you can easily download Stellarium. Its relatively easy to figure out. While it is certainly possible that something could happen on one of the twelve year regular occurrences, it is important to make it clear that this year is not, as is falsely claimed, a one in every 7000 event. I hope this helps.


  • David Williams
    Posted at 19:16h, 15 February

    Hello Joel,
    Another brilliant presentation on the Woman.
    I am amazed just how much attention and reaction this “Star Constellation” has caused.
    It is a prime example at how easy people can be led away from the Word of God and get caught up in fleshly teachings, the exact thing that the Word of God warns us not to do.
    If The Woman in Rev 12:1 is a Constellation in the Heaven then the same has to be applied to the Red Dragon that is seen in the Heaven in Rev 12:3 and again to the 7 Angels seen in Heaven in Rev 15:1.

    Also if the Woman and the Red Dragon are Star Constellations then they would have to also fulfil what they do as follows.
    The Woman Constellation would also have to do the following:
    Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
    Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
    Do we see any of the above verses in the Constellation?
    No we don’t.
    Also it is strange that a Star Constellation would go into a desert and God feeds the Star Constellation.

    The Red Dragon Constellation would also have to do the following:
    Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
    Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    Do we see any of the above verses in the Constellation?
    No we don’t?

    If they are all Constellations then we also have Gabriel fighting against Constellations
    Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    It is wise for us to believe the Word of God and not the fables of men.

    God Bless you Joel for standing on the Simple Truth in Scripture.

  • rt elms
    Posted at 19:48h, 15 February


    My personal policy on the matter of setting dates for end time events is – I can’t know the unknowable.
    “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.” (Mark 13:32) NASB
    However, we can read the signs of the times and your ministry helps me in bringing all the noise into focus. Thanks again!


  • Debbie Malcolm
    Posted at 11:08h, 16 February

    Hi Joel
    Appreciate your answer regarding my question on Daniel,
    One other question if I may
    Couple months ago you blocked me from Twitter @debimalcolm I Apologize if I offended you in any way wasn’t my intention
    I enjoy following you on twitter, I am not on Facebook. Anyway I enjoy the interaction and knowledge between you & your friends for learning and meeting new believers
    I would appreciate you unblocking me if at all possible 😇 Peace and keep up the good work!!
    Just an old soul / female Listening to God trying to wake me up for much work is needed And NO I am not a stalker
    I know you’ve had people trolling you


  • Philip Arpin
    Posted at 18:15h, 16 February

    Greetings in CHRIST, Joel:
    Philip John Arpin ThD

    As you say, many mistakes in past: certain.
    We as teachers are often critiqued. It is good that such analysis persists.

    Should we then cease to interpret prophecies because of a possible negative critique?
    As in the past with error on “caught-up” interpretations this too may be too conjectural.

    Should we cease therein to study and convey our observation? YHVH also created the heavens must be remembered?
    Time will tell again whether this prophetic indicator is being properly interpeted. Is it an indicator of “the blessed hope”?

    Much, much, much analysis is further indicated, needed, and this is a good thing, especially in light of some purely
    astronomical observations as to what may appear to be a red dwarf with accompanying planets in sol’s shpere perhaps
    indicative of “the great red dragon”.

    These are exciting times.

    In CHRISt,

  • Howard
    Posted at 10:53h, 17 February

    For sure the rapture is not going to happen on Sep 23 this year, or this year at all:
    “Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the [a]coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your [b]composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a [c]message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the [d]apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above [e]every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”

    Some are saying that this ‘sign’ will mark the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel (with the first resurrection-rapture 3 1/2 years later). Of course, this is still speculation, with or without a ‘sign’. All of this, though, is drawing the attention of believers to waken up to the times and seasons in which we live, and to get back to the Word of God in the whole of the Bible. .

  • Kevin Charles
    Posted at 13:14h, 17 February

    I had a question about the Matthew 24 prophecy and didn’t know how to ask on your site, i saw this is the most recent video so I thought I’d ask here.

    The reference to Noah and the rapture in Matthew 24:37-43 speaks of the people being 2 in the field and one will be taken, the other will stay, etc. It uses Noah and the ark as a model of reference to this rapture, my question is has anyone ever considered that we do NOT want to be taken? The people taken from the earth during the flood were the worldly sinners. Noah stayed on the earth and was saved THROUGH the tribulation. Likewise Daniel and the lions den, likewise Daniel’s friends in the fiery furnace, etc. There is more evidence of a saving THROUGH the tribulation. But my question is specifically for Matthew 24. When Christ comes do we want to be here “waiting on the Lord?” or do we wanna be “taken”?

    I’m sure the answer to this question is extremely long regarding the tribulation, but can you keep your answer brief specific to the Matthew prophecy and maybe tell me which person we want to be in matthew 24:40.

  • Joel
    Posted at 15:55h, 17 February

    HI Kevin,

    Yes, of course, the one taken is the one taken in judgment.


  • Kevin Charles
    Posted at 17:09h, 17 February

    So that being said do we want to be raptured or kept here on earth through the tribulation?

    The answer to me used to be obvious, the raptured group get to escape the tribulation, but that verse in Matthew 24:40 is almost like saying we have it backwards.

  • Joel
    Posted at 17:35h, 17 February

    Hi Bradley,

    I had a very long and very nice conversation with Scottie Clark today. I have also corresponded with another gentleman who has also written a book on this and dedicated the last few years to this topic. Rather than continue to debate this subject, I will simply say that we will have to wait and see. I did read your “rebuttal.” Rather than address the various errors you made, I will simply say that after September 23, there will no longer be any debates on this matter. At that time, you may apologize for your very unChrist-like insults.

    Many Blessings,

  • Kevin Charles
    Posted at 22:52h, 17 February

    You know it’s been just over 7 years since I’ve been saved. At the time I enlisted in the military thinking that’s where God wants me. Now I’m about to be hired onto a local fire department thinking this is my service to God,. I watch your videos and I read your stuff and I can’t help but think I want to get involved. but for me the million dollar question is ‘how?’. I’ve prayed on the matter often enough and I believe the fire dept IS the best I can do, but I want more.
    You spoke at a church in one of your videos and mentioned very briefly about the underground church in Iran. I don’t want to be just some Christian who has Christ here in my living room, I want to get involved some how some way. Now I help anyone that comes in my path whenever I see someone. I do what I can,
    Is there any suggestions you would recommend to sort of get ‘my skin in the game’ in a more tangible way? I really want to involve myself over seas because that’s where I think we’re needed. The only thing that came to mind was firefighters without borders. Now I’m hopeful (god willing) trump builds the third temple. I’d be on the first plane out to help. But is there any web sites or movements I can get involved with? And I don’t mean just donating some cash on a site. I want to physically do something.

    Thanks a bunch

  • linda keyes
    Posted at 05:44h, 18 February

    It’s such a shame Joel, people seem to be drawn to extra biblical theories as though they’re new revelation from God.

    Jesus spoke very clearly in Mathew 24. Speaking to his followers he said the celestial signs to look for were at the end of the tribulation.

    I remember when it occurred to me that the angels gathering the saints in v31 was indeed the rapture and not the collecting of the Jews as I’d been taught, because when the Jews are bought home at the end of the age, the angels won’t be bringing them. Isa 66:20 says they will come back on horseback, in chariots, on mules and swift beasts to his holy mountain. God will even dry up the tongue of the Egyptian sea so they can cross over. Isa 11:15.

    As you say Joel these things do great harm, saints become discouraged, while the world mocks.

    If we just keep to the simplicity of what Jesus says, we can then just get on with the real job at hand.

  • Joel
    Posted at 07:46h, 18 February

    Hi Kevin,

    You can always volunteer for various ministries doing work among the refugees throughout Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq. Of course, it would have to be shorter term with your job, but it may meet that desire you have a bit more. Of course, one need not go overseas to get involved in reaching out to refugees here in the states, and witnessing to the firefighters and all you come into contact with. You can check with FAI, one of my partner ministries, as well as Antecessor, and several other great ministries doing work on the front lines.


  • Kevin Charles
    Posted at 09:38h, 18 February

    Thanks Joel I’ll definitely look at Antecessor and FAI.

    Reading your response here led me on a google search and I came across an interview done by yourself and Adnan Oktar. The article can be found at http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/106055/

    I’ve seen this interview by you years ago I know it’s old, but I read it and never occurred to me that Gentiles, Jews, AND muslims would want to rebuild the third temple. I originally thought it was just a Jew and Christian thing.

    Clearly the third temple is the missing piece of the puzzle in the end times, however where do you stand on it? For or against it? I’ve talked to a ton of people on it, and I have been shocked at how many Christians are against anything to do with Israel.


  • Joel
    Posted at 09:45h, 18 February

    I’m not in favor of this kind of temple. Jesus will restore a Temple during His coming reign as described in Ezekiel 40-48.

  • Kevin Charles
    Posted at 12:24h, 18 February

    I was under the impression this third temple that’s supposed to be built in the court of the gentiles is the final temple. Mid-tribulation the islamic antichrist (12th imam) is supposed to do what muslims do and convert it to a mosque and all (literal) hell breaks loose.

    I value the heck out of your insight and I’m curious why you think that the temple Jesus restores will be separate from the third temple. That third temple in Ezekiel 40-48 IS the temple I’m talking about. The Temple Institute in Jerusalem is supposed to be building Ezekiels temple.

    Now what I thought was that the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21, and the temple of Christ spoken of in Revelation 21:22 was the temple of our bodies where Christ now dwells.

    My question is how will Christ restore a Temple that’s different to the one that the temple institute wants to build from Ezekiel 40-48

  • Joel
    Posted at 14:34h, 18 February

    The Temple that will be rebuilt will be largely desolated by the Antichrist and destroyed when Jesus returns. The Temple described in great detail by Ezekiel is vastly larger than anything that could fit on the present Temple Mount. This will be there during the 1000 millennium. After this, there is no longer any temple.

  • Kevin Charles
    Posted at 16:35h, 18 February

    See I was under the impression it could fit perfectly in the court of the gentiles, that changes everything.

  • Ryan Donovan
    Posted at 16:54h, 18 February


    as an aside, I am fascinated to see a shift in direction from Israel regarding the strategy of peace. Going from a 2-state solution, to looking to the wider gulf states for a wider peace framework (if you would call it that). Something to watch for I guess considering the ‘covenant of peace’ made between the Islamic Antichrist and Israel in Revelation.

    Bless you and am loving your books!


  • Larry Fontenot
    Posted at 20:48h, 18 February

    Hi Joel, Wonderful program. I have just one observation about Virgo. I am assuming this sight is to be seen with the naked eye at nightime. Nightime being when the Constellations can be observed. If the Moon is at the Virgins feet, then the Sun would be opposite side of Earth. For at no time could anyone observe both the Sun and the Moon at the same time within the small angular space of a Constellation at night with the naked eye. It’s an impossibility. Perhaps the word ‘Sun’ in Scripture is describing some other bright heavenly body unknown to us which is yet to come and obviously would not be included in any astronomy software that we have to date. So it’s a mystery in my view. What do you think about this idea? Thank you Joel for all you do.

  • Joel
    Posted at 23:06h, 18 February

    It cannot be seen as it would be day. Thus these things could be observed through mathematical calculations. But I think the sun here is the sun. This was the alignment when Jesus was born.

  • David Roberts
    Posted at 04:50h, 19 February

    Brother Joel, I have a friend asking about giving to legitimate bible distribution.

    Who would you recommend?


    or another ministry?

  • Joel
    Posted at 05:40h, 19 February

    Those both look great.

  • David Williams
    Posted at 19:39h, 19 February

    Hello Joel, this is a Biblical response to the One Taken and the other left behind that was mentioned on the 17th of February. I believe my comment is needed and will bring much light and truth. Please consider.
    Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be ( taken), and the other left.
    Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be ( taken), and the other left.

    There are varied views on the meaning of the above verses.
    It is Extremely Critical that before we express our views we MUST first of all look at the Greek Word that is used in the New Testament for taken.
    The Greek Word is “paralambano” it is number G3880 in the Strongs Concordance.
    Paralambano means “To Receive”, “to Take Near to Oneself”, “To Receive to Oneself”, “To Take into Ones Possession”, “To Take One as an Associate or Companion”.
    Paralambano is used 50 times in the New Testament, nowhere does it mean to Destroy.

    It is very clearly a word that means relationship, bringing to oneself.
    Here is just one example in the New Testament where that Greek Word is used.
    Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to (take unto thee) Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
    Joseph was Receiving to himself Mary to be his Wife.
    Joseph did not destroy Mary, He actually Received Mary to himself to be his “Companion, His Associate, His Wife”.
    Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and ( took unto him) his wife:

    Let me now place the proper meaning of the word Paralambano into the two Verses in Matthew 24.
    Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be “Received to ones self as an associate, as a Companion”, and the other left.

    Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be “Received to oneself as an Associate, as a Companion”, and the other left.

    Here are some other verses as an example.
    Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus (taketh) Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
    Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

    Look at the Beautiful Verses below.

    Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and (receive you unto myself); that where I am, there ye may be also.

    1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye (have received), and wherein ye stand;

    Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
    Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

    In all 50 Verses in the New Testament where “Paralambano” is used it is completely consistent, it means to bring to ones side, to be a companion, to Receive.
    It DOES NOT mean to destroy.

    Jesus is Coming and he will Receive us to Himself, He will Gather us all together to Himself.

    I am actually just about finished doing a Blog on the Above.

  • Joel
    Posted at 20:07h, 19 February


    With all due respect, this is not the meaning of the passage. First, it should be noted that other verses which you selectively did not cite in the New Testament use the word in a very negative sense:

    Then goeth he, and (TAKETH) with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. Matthew 12:45

    Then the soldiers of the governor (TOOK) Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers. Matthew 27:27

    Worse yet, you didn’t quote the previous verse which establishes the context:

    “For as in those days before the flood THEY were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and THEY did not understand until THE FLOOD came and TOOK THEM all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then there will be two men in the field; one will be TAKEN and one will be left. Matthew 24:39

    The meaning is clear. In Noah’s day, those “taken” were taken away by the flood in judgment. The one “left” is the one who remained alive and thus was saved. It’s very clear.


  • David Williams
    Posted at 22:53h, 19 February

    Hello Joel,
    Thanks for your response.
    I did not mean to come across in a manner where I ignored any verses on purpose, because there were 50 verses I did not want to bring up all.the verses in the comment. I was just showing that the word does not mean to destroy but means to bring along ones side. I was presenting a positive side rather than just focusing on the Judgement. The verses you showed are correct and even though being negative the word still shows that there is a taking to oneself as in Matthew 12:45 and 27:27.
    God can draw one to his side and Satan also can draw one to his side.
    I am aware of Matthew 24:39 and it clearly shows that. Noah and his family (received Salvation) entered into the Ark before Judgement came, God delivered his people and closed the door and then Judged the earth.
    On the same Day Lot left Sodom Judgement came. Salvation first then Judgement.
    In the same manner we will be raptured into the Air (Salvation) before Judgement comes on the Earth.
    I was actually confirming Matthew 24:39 in that God Brings Salvation before He brings Judgement.
    Matthew 24:39 clearly shows that Noah and his family were given Salvation first, they literally lifted up anchor in the Ark.
    Then Judgement came, Noah and his family were lifted up above the Judgement.
    I certainly want to be lifted up into the air above the earth in the rapture rather than remain on the earth and receive the Judgement of God.
    Blessed are those in the First Resurrection.
    Sorry if it appeared misleading.

  • Karlea Albrecht
    Posted at 03:19h, 06 March

    Everything does add up. The red dagon =(satan)… dragon = satan red= war Keep in mind the red horse in Rev. is war… the red dragon is satan. Red equals war. The red dragon means the war in the heavens when satan and the fallen angels will be cast down to earth. The seven heads are the seven new planets just discovered or rather uncovered. The dwelling place of these demonic beings which is in the heavenly realms. It says the red dragon will have seven heads and ten horns. If you multiply 10×7 it equals seventy. There were 70 fallen angels that fell with with Lucifer. The dragon drawing a third of the stars to earth is satan and his demons being cast down to earth after the war in heaven. Very hard times will be on the way. For it says that in Ephesians 6:12 For we do not struggle with flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces in the heavenly realms. It further says in
    Ephesians 2:2
    in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience. * note* the sons of disobedience are the fallen angels, or rather Satan’s demons. They will be cast down at this time onto earth. I believe tribulation will begin at this time.


  • Karlea Albrecht
    Posted at 03:42h, 06 March

    I feel Yeshua haMashiach will return around 2027.

  • James Robert Holben
    Posted at 23:33h, 22 March

    Joel, this is a cut and paste from my facebook page. It pertains to the Sept 23rd. Sign. ”

    For some time now I have been contemplating the verse in Matthew 24 wherein it states, “Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” I have asked myself, “What is this sign?” It has to be something that everyone will see and recognise for what it is. Then today, while watching a video concerning astronomy in the Bible, it hit me! You are all familiar with the story of the Magi, their seeking out the one who is born “King of the Jews”, Herod the Great having all the male children in Bethlehem under two years of age murdered, etc. The signs in the heavens that these wise men followed are believed to have been handed down by Daniel and his descendants that stayed in Babylon. These Magi knew what to look for in the heavens and they knew what it meant. John the Revelator saw a vision in heaven that is believed to mimic what those Magi were looking for, and saw. It is clearly described in Revelation 12. “And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, (Rev 12:1-5)
    If this is not the “sign of the Son of Man”, I don’t know what is! This exact stellar alignment has not happened again since it first heralded the coming of the King, when he was born in Bethlehem. This September, after 2000 years, it will happen again. “Then will appear in heaven THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN!” He’s coming folks, he’s really coming…and I can’t wait….even so Lord Jesus, come. Shalom and Amen and Amen.

  • Joel
    Posted at 15:06h, 23 March


    The sign is that which is mentioned multiple times by the prophets, Jesus and Revelation. The Sun goes black and the moon turns blood red. It is not a non-existent alignment in the stars that happens every 11-12 years. The alignment when Jesus was born was unique and is was comprised of several other issues. It is not happening this year. I also highly encourage you to read Alan Kurschner’s books on the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church. Very convincing if one will give it a chance.


  • Jessey Lea Watts
    Posted at 16:09h, 03 April

    Thank you Joel, I was very concerned and scared about this date but reading your messages has made me feel better about all of this! Thank you for all the great help!

  • Kristine Ralph
    Posted at 22:08h, 07 April

    Please explain to me when the normal retrograde of Jupiter is 120 days every year, why does it stay in Virgo’s womb for a full nine months? Based on a 30 day month, let’s say, is 270 days (approx) Trying to understand why this sign would not be biblical or prophetic since wandering planets to the Jews are called wandering stars.

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:21h, 08 April

    Jupiter wanders into Virgo every eleven or twelve years. Despite what is being claimed, this year, it does not stay in Virgo’s womb for nine months. It goes into her womb for a couple months, passes out for a couple months and then back in for a few months. The total time if you include the few months where it is just outside her womb is eleven months, not nine.

  • Lou
    Posted at 00:45h, 10 April

    Excellent stuff, Joel. Readers might like to Google “Ready for Rapture Astrology?” on Treena Gisborn’s UK blog “Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing.”

  • Joy Bosworth
    Posted at 21:42h, 18 April

    Why do you use a masons, Jesuit, and pagan symbol with your sight? The square within a square and the egyptian sun disc in the middle? These are also symbols within the Catholic Church. These are things not to follow but yet you publish them openly. Very curious as to your answer. But I am sure you won’t publish this question or the answer.

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:48h, 19 April

    Hi Joy,

    Symbols do not have some inherent meaning or power. Any given symbol has many different meanings. As Paul says, “To the pure all things are pure.” In other words, symbols only have the power that one ascribes to it. While the Magen David star may be a pagan sign to you, to most, it simply symbolizes the current state of Israel. As a lifelong artist, I have a love for the history of art and architecture. When I made my web-site some years ago, I chose an image of a piece of ceramic tile that had an image that represents the Jews, another that represents the Muslim world (the inside of the Dome of a Mosque), and an image of an icon of Jesus. This represents the main people I am called to minister the Gospel to. While you may believe these signs all have some evil power, I believe the Lord is so much bigger and more powerful than Satan. Satan doesn’t own shapes or symbols anymore than Satan owns all goats. Others have asked about the statues behind me. These are from Iran, given to me as a gift by my friends who lead the underground Church there. One is a Sassanid soldier, essentially the ancient Green Berets of Persia, and the other is Cyrus (the Lord’s anointed).

    I pray you will receive what I am about to say as a brother, but I hope that will grow beyond the relative superstitiousness that has caused you to assume the worst about a brother. Not everything is an evil conspiracy.

    May the Lord Bless you,

  • Brad T
    Posted at 17:33h, 20 April

    Hello Joel,
    So I have struggled with a bombardment of what to believe, what to do? I firmly believe in Christ although I do fall short daily. So I come to you as a child with an open mind for you to lead me to some sort of clarification. If you may. For Christ sis say for us to be open minded like a child.
    So, for years I have struggled with doubts of the rapture. My reasoning for this is, as we a chastised by the father from time to time and tempted by Satan and we still fall short to the model that came for us to follow. Now in the sense that Christ endured a great punishment and a punishment that he did not deserve. So, for us to be concrete and unshaken in our gratitude what if we are made to endure the tribulation but the rapture is in fact a receiving of Christ maybe the receiving is the ability to refuse the mark no matter what we see or is done to us. For surety of where you are going once you perish is in fact a great gift. Also we are given the number 144,000 and Christ saying those that endure th unto the end are surely blessed. I believe is how the scripture goes. I could be wrong. The thing is that my faith that Christ is real is unshakeable but my position in the afterlife for some reason I have trouble with. I suppose I may have a polluted mind through all of the years of religion courses and having non religious professors actually atheist professors that brought into light the quote en quote banned books of the Bible. Doubt is a powerful agent and it says Satan will use this to deceive. I have also researched the strange signs in the sky as of recent and the Incoming solar system and although the evidence is compelling if those heavenly bodies were close enough for them to be as large as the “orbs” they highlight our planet would be in grave distress. So sometimes I see what they have covered up and wondered why the one swath of a 360 degree sky in google covers and removes the coordinates that in 2007 were published via a German individual. Just so much information overload I am in need of clarity and pray you can help sir.
    I thank you in advance.

  • mark wesley
    Posted at 09:10h, 21 April

    What should you do? Be prepared for whatever comes. You don’t have to worry about the time or date.

    Rev. 20:7 “And behold, I am coming quickly. [a]Blessed (happy, prosperous, to be admired) is the one who heeds and takes to heart and remembers the words of the prophecy [that is, the predictions, consolations, and warnings] contained in this book (scroll).”

  • mark wesley
    Posted at 09:42h, 21 April

    Thank you for your video. Lots of great information.

    If you pointed to the signs in the sky that pointed to the birth of Jesus Christ, you would have been told you were wrong, because nothing happened. Nothing that you could see pointed to the King of Kings being conceived or born. But as we know this was in fact true. Once again I don’t know what the signs on September 23, 2017, and it does not matter. We all should be prepared every day.
    You focus on “scholars” and commentaries to tell you if something is true or not true. Having produced hundreds of textbooks for major publishers, I would not base what I think of “scholars,” books or commentaries. I would read what they say, but I would not base my faith on it.

  • Joel
    Posted at 10:17h, 21 April


    I do not base my faith on what Christian scholars say. My point in citing authorities on this matter is to show that much of the pop ideas found on Youtube concerning this matter are not rooted in a careful or thorough examination of the topic. Humility says we should consider the words of those who have dedicated their lives to some particular topic. Of course they can be wrong, but studying what other men and women have concluded on various matters is not a bad starting point as we form our own opinions.

  • Rachel Odu
    Posted at 22:51h, 21 April

    Dear Brad,

    I think some people have a hard time believing in a pretrib rapture because they feel it’s too good to be true or we don’t deserve it and I agree. But I also believe our God is overflowing with mercy and love and while we may deserve to go through the tribulation I don’t believe we will. This fall something is going to happen. Not only is this celestial alignment happening on the Feast of Trumpets, but if you look at St Malachys prophecy and the Prophecy of 10 Jubilees they all point to “now”! Jesus said there will be an hour of trial, a testing, and to pray that we may be counted worthy to escape. So that is exactly what I do. Your not the only one feeling an information overload. There is a lot unfolding happening. As far as your position in the afterlife, dont ever forget John 3:16. Pre, mid, post trib, Sept 23 or some other day, all you have to do is believe and accept!

  • Billy joe bob
    Posted at 14:40h, 22 April

    AMEN,,,Joel,,,,, I have been combating this and other false doctrine for sometime now,,,, it’s always ,,,, something is going to happen,,,,here is the key to all scripture and how to interpret it,,,,,2Peter v1:20,,and v21,,,also 2Peter 3 v14 to 18,,,,the Holy Spirit gave us the scripture,,,,He knows the interpretation and unless He gives us the reamah revilation people will do what is written in the aforementioned scriptures ,,,,WELL DONE,,,

  • Jay Dunwoody
    Posted at 10:34h, 25 April

    I am just testing if anyone can comment on here?

  • Stephan
    Posted at 19:43h, 01 May

    Blood moon tetrads 2014-2015,, Bethleem star in 2015, Virgo with a crown in 2017, what’s next?.
    Are we in a hunt to find Bible signs in the sky? Or are we too wise to recognize them?

    Matthew 13
    35 So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”

    Matthew 11
    25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 

    Matthew 24
    37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 
    38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 
    39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 

  • Howard
    Posted at 17:05h, 03 May


    I saw you on YouTube, talking about the Revelation 12 sign and 9/23/2017. Thanks for your work.

    Disregarding the whole “Jupiter-in-the-womb-for-9-months” angle, can you tell me if your research shows the simultaneous alignment of Leo, the 3 planets, Virgo, Jupiter, etc in other years? I came across a spreadsheet someone made that purports to show that this particular simultaneous alignment is indeed rare.

    Apologies if someone has already asked this. I didn’t read this entire thread.



  • Joel
    Posted at 18:37h, 03 May


    Whether to is rare or not is largely irrelevant. Leo plus three planets is not what is intended to represent the crown. The crown is always there as represented by the 11 prominent stars in Coma Berenices. As I mention in the video, its most prominent star is actually called the Diadem, or Crown. Those trying to claim Leo the Lion suddenly stops being Leo and becomes a crown this September are simply trying to create a “great Sign” where none exists. The result will be another frenzy of expectation this fall, followed by another round of great disappointment. I wish I could say otherwise.


  • Jeanette Whelchel
    Posted at 07:27h, 04 May

    Kudos to you Joel! The one fish swimming upstream against the current! I so appreciate the calm and logic manner in which you presented this rebuttal. I have appreciated your grounded teaching in the past and will certainly continue to follow your voice of reason. I watched many of the videos on this subject and even printed out 89 pages of a research document on this subject by Jaco Princloo who based it on Scottie Clarke’s “revelation”. I was definitely fascinated but I was not fully convinced in my spirit. Then I asked the Holy Spirit to show me truth which scripture promises and to give me an open mind to receive and I “Binged” (I don’t Google anymore) September 23, 2017 and found your video calling it a false sign. I was familiar with your sound teaching and books so I was not disappointed with your presentation. I thank God for your heart that loves and protects the sheep from every wind of doctrine.

    I see in many comments many people still do not rightly divide scripture referring to the rapture taking the Church home vs scripture referring to Jesus’ second coming to finally establish His kingdom on earth. The “mystery” of the rapture was given to Apostle Paul and he alone to reveal it (I Cor 15:51-52; I Thess 4:16-17) just as the “mystery” of the gospel of grace was given to him alone…not taught by any man but given in direct revelation by Christ Jesus Himself.(Gal 1:11-12). Christ’s approach in the rapture is described quite differently from his approach at His second coming which will be on a white horse with the troops of heaven following on white horses, etc. (Rev.19:11-14). Your insight on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

  • Joel
    Posted at 09:12h, 04 May

    Deeply appreciated Jeanette.

    Many Blessings to you!

  • Bíblia Todo Dia
    Posted at 12:21h, 11 May

    Hello beloved,

    The day of Jesus’ coming does not know, what we can do is seek to live in communion with the Father through his grace manifested in Christ, for our sake.

    Regardless of which day it will be, may we be worthy to meet the Master in the heavens.

    God bless you all.

  • Jussten Thomas
    Posted at 21:31h, 12 May

    Dear Mr.Joel .. You have led the people to believe your belief , God didn’t send you a vision nor elaborated anything to you by confirmation or any proof other than the contradiction of what you are portraying. You want people to believe what you are saying and persuading others to believe the crap Satan layed upon you. God is the only one to preach this Sermon. Not Joel, Not anyone. Your time of speaking is done in the name of Jesus you are not helping others to the Signs and Symbols he lays before us. So do everyone a favor and keep speaking on this and watch God show you. You people want to speak in terminologys only to impress yourselves and possibly others but all I see is meaningless words. Hopefully whatever hits the earth and maybe not on Sep.23 2017 on this exact date. But how dare u question God’s signs clearly he said No Man nor Angel knows the time nor Hour of his Arrival. And Lord forbid God doesn’t Strike you for leading others not to believe in his Signs. The Lord may not return on Sep.23 2017 but believe yes coming maybe sooner . Do the world a favor and close your mouth you have no knowledge other than what he gives you. You can wake up with an mental issue by tomorrow not knowing how to Tie your shoes. It funny how Humans want to tell you anything , I Look for signs Just like my Father had revealed to me. You should do the same as the Wise Men were who were also astronomers and Found the Sign which the father had gave them. God shall make the First .. Last and the Last First. Those with knowledge of earth to be taught of the ones who obtain the truth. Good Day to you Mr.Joel. And I pray God doesnt send a terrible destruction your way once this matter happens it shall be an Eye Opener for you all.

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:29h, 13 May


    We are called to be Bereans, which means testing all things. You should not chastise someone for obeying the Lord, and for caring for the flock. It may be disappointing, but there is no great sign this year. Put your hope in Jesus, not every passing phase claim of some great sign. After this, no doubt, others will come.


  • ERIC
    Posted at 22:46h, 13 May

    Joel, do you believe that Christ will return on a Jewish feast day? I’ve heard very compelling arguments for this, since he fulfilled so many things on these days while on earth.


  • Joel
    Posted at 05:02h, 14 May

    I would think yes, and yes, Yom Teruah would likely be the day.

  • Jordan Shepherd
    Posted at 07:37h, 17 May

    Dear Joel, regarding the taken, I agree with your point on the context: For example, “But understand this: If the owner of the house had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.…” The Son of Man, in this context is like the thief. A thief takes your prized possession away. We are His possession and after the Tribulation (thillipsus) are we not the ones taken away? One further point, one could contend that Noah was taken away from destruction, whereas the wicked remained and perished. Surely those that remain, will experience the ‘orgay’ (wrath) of God/judgement poured out. Therefore, those taken – Could they be the righteous – taken away from the impending destruction?

  • Jack P
    Posted at 11:05h, 28 May

    So what is this, am I going to remain miserable every day of my life.??? You expect me to “endure to the end” when I’m so miserable and no one will help me with my problems??? I expect the rapture to happen by 2018 like the bible says. I’m so tired of being robbed of my joy, I want out !!!

  • Van Reichelderfer
    Posted at 22:30h, 30 May

    Paul wrote that the rapture would take place at the last trump. This is the 100th trumpet blast that ends the Feast of Trumpets. This destroys the teaching that Jesus can return at any moment. God has followed his calendar thus far. Jesus died on the Passover; He arose from the dead on the Feast of First Fruits; He sent the Holy Spirit on Pentecost; and he will rapture us at the end of the Feast of Trumpets! Jesus said there would be signs in the heaven and in the earth. Blood moons and solar eclipses are signs from the Almighty. The Mazzaroth tells the gospel story. As a Bible believer, I can’t dismiss the sign that appears on September 23, 2017 as having no meaning, especially when it coincides with the end of the Feast of Trumpets. Don’t be too quick to call it a false sign!

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:29h, 31 May

    The first problem Van is that this sign was already fulfilled when Jesus was born. The second problem is that Jupiter passes through Virgo every 11 or 12 years while coinciding with Trumpets. So why is this so special? The third problem is that the moon is not clothing the woman on September 23. It is long past Virgo by that point. The fourth problem is that Jupiter is not in Virgo for nine months as Scotty Clarke and several others falsely claim. The fifth problem is the really bad exegesis involved in making this about the rapture. Jupiter is “the King Planet.” So it would seem obvious that the King Planet represents Jesus the Messiah who will rule the nations with a rod of iron as the passage says. However, desperate for it to be about the rapture, Scotty Clarke suddenly had a revelation that Jupiter actually represents the Church. Yes, we will co-rule with Him, but we are most certainly not the King. I could go on and on and on. Basically, this whole thing is a manufactured sign. Yes, this time of the year is something to watch for, but this year will not be the rapture. Let us be about the work of God.

    Be Blessed,

  • Van Reichelderfer
    Posted at 08:43h, 31 May

    And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
    The first problem Joel is, this is a future event, as is everything after Rev. chapter 3. Even though it is easy to see Rev 12 pictures the birth of Christ, as with many scriptures there is a dual meaning since this event is yet future. The second problem is your claim that the moon is not clothing the woman on September 23; the Bible states it as at her feet, which it is on that date. The third problem is Jupiter is in the womb while the 9 stars of Leo & 3 planets are at her head. This, to me, is the sign of Rev. 12. The fourth problem is your claim the rapture will not happen this year. That is a big statement to come from any man. The fifth problem is to say it is a manufactured sign. Who placed the sun, moon, and stars in the heavens? John saw a sign in the heavens, in the future! I could go on and on and on. Basically, people are going to ignore this if they are post-trib and pre-tribbers are going to have their hopes of Christs return for his bride increased. Yes, the feast of trumpets will end with the rapture, some year, and very possible this year, even though it goes against your eschatological beliefs. Obviously, we are at polar opposites concerning this issue. The nice thing is you are my brother in the Lord and we can respectfully disagree. Stay busy preaching the gospel! See you in heaven someday! God bless you as you faithfully serve him!

  • Joel
    Posted at 22:22h, 31 May


    Again, the birth of the King is not a future event. It is past. You and I agree on this. Jupiter is the King Planet. The King is not going to be born again in the future. There is no basis to say that the entirety of the vision is purely future. Certainly various prophecies have a dual fulfillment, but again, the King is only born once long ago. The Church may be the body of Messiah, but we are most certainly not the King.

    While the moon is at the woman’s feet on September 23, Jupiter will have already left Virgo’s womb 10 days previously. Beyond that, on September 23, the sun is not clothing the woman. Its up near her head. Yet it was actually indeed clothing the woman on the day that Jesus was born. That sign was not manufactured.

    The idea that the crown on her head is a combination of Leo, the Lion, the royal constellation, the King constellation, plus three planets is simply nonsense. I apologize for being so adamant about this, but its just silly to say that Leo is suddenly transformed from a lion into a giant crown. This is just an effort to manufacture “a sign.” The crown of 12 stars is always there. The twelve star cluster known as Coma Berenices is always there. Its primary star is specifically know as “the diadem.” How clear is that?

    The only reason I am showing the problems with all of this is because the so-called signs are simply not aligning as proponents of this “sign” are claiming. And the end result is that many people will be very disappointed later this year. Just like 1988. And for trying to prevent this disappointment, for trying to warn those who will listen, I am been quite viciously attacked. I would say that few issues I have addressed have brought more anger and outright name calling from fellow believers. It’s been really sad to watch. We are called to be Bereans. I have done my best to do just that. Obviously, time will tell, and I would most certainly love to be wrong, but I am willing to lay it all on the line that on September 24, all will continue as it is today. Let us be about the work of God.


  • Van Reichelderfer
    Posted at 10:33h, 01 June

    Rev. 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    The claim Rev 12:5 has no meaning in the future is to miss the promise to the overcomers of Rev CH 2 & 3.
    Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
    We will rule with a rod of iron, with Jesus.
    Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
    We will sit down with Jesus in his throne!
    Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
    This seems to lend credence to the sign of Rev 12: 1-2 as needing to take place before God turns back to Israel to deal with them as a nation because of his everlasting covenant he has with them. If as you claim this has been fulfilled with the birth of Jesus that would mean Jesus gave them up when he was born, and that does not fit the scriptures!
    Your claim that it is really bad exegesis to make this about the rapture seems wrong to me. The fact is, that within the very book these verses are found, they point to the overcomers as being the man child of Rev 12:5, which is yet future according to Rev 4:1. This is the way we should rightly divide the word of God, and you know this! …and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. This is the overcomers who are “caught up” (harpazo) unto God and his throne. The similarity to John being taken to the throne of God after hearing a voice like it was a trumpet definitely mirrors what will take place at the rapture.
    I fail to see how you can disregard these verses. You seem to be very confident in your belief but I hope you take time to not only look over these verses but to ask God to show you the meaning. The best of scholars only knows a little when it comes to God’s word. I don’t claim to know much, I’m just thankful to God he convicted me saved me. I do desire to know him better as I’m sure you do too. I always have struggled with those who see things so opposite from what I do. The Holy Spirit sure doesn’t contradict himself as he ministers to our hearts. Thanks for your responses!
    Your brother in Christ,

  • Joel
    Posted at 14:28h, 01 June


    Its quite simple. The Bible says that we will be co-rulers with Jesus the King, but in no way shape or form does this mean that we are actually the king. to infer such is to bend logic. Scotty Clarke began his “revelation” specifically because of the fact that Jupiter, “the King” planet was in Virgo. Then he had a new revelation that Jupiter represents us. Yes, we will be caught up, and yes, we will co-rule with him, but to say that “the King” planet actually represents us is to twist the analogy to create a sign that simply is not there.

    I apologize if this is discouraging to you. I’ll not continue to argue this, as I think folks are determined to believe this despite the facts. and of course, arguing will not change the future. Four more months and it will be clear. I hope it will be followed by genuine repentance by those who have been misleading so many over this matter.


  • Billie Munn
    Posted at 15:08h, 01 June


    Thank you so much for your sound and sober assessment of this sign in the sky mania. I loved your call to the church to be about our Lord’s business and to be focused on evangelism and leading as many people to Christ as we can, rather than obsessing over someone’s rapture-date speculation hobby.

    Well done, good and faithful servant!


  • Dale Huss
    Posted at 21:17h, 02 June

    Hi Joel; When Jesus ascended up to the the throne of God in Acts the Greek word is epairo which means He was lifted up. Slow enough, in fact that the disciples watched Him go and then a cloud received Him out of their sight. Yet the word in Rev 12 for the man child being caught up is harpazo which means to forcefully and violently seize quickly snatch up. How does that have anything to do with Jesus resurrection or ascension to the throne of God?

  • Joel
    Posted at 01:53h, 03 June


    When Jesus was taken up, there are various Greek words used to describe it. There is analambanō as well as epairō and diïstēmi. In Greek, as in English, every word has a range of meaning, and there is also more than one word for any given thing being described. For example, beyond the word harpazo, there are other words used in the New testament to describe the rapture, such as episynagōgē which means “gather together.” One event, multiple words. This is how language works.

    Now, Jesus said that no man knows “the day or the hour.” Do you believe you know the day?

    Second, if September 23 is the day of the rapture, as some are leading so many to believe, then why is she not clothed with the sun on that day? The sun is still over her shoulder on September 23. Yet it was indeed on her body on September 11, 3 BC, when Jesus was born.


  • Zach Kramer
    Posted at 16:32h, 03 June

    Hi Joel,

    I just happen to stumble onto this site and binge watched about 7-8 or your videos. Great stuff here and I consider myself lucky to have happened across it. I like most of the topics you are discussing and an appreciate your clam, collected demeanor when discussing heavy topics. I have been in the faith for a while and not a lot of topics are brand new to me but I saw a couple posts on this video thread that I have never considered. I would like you to clarify something if you could sir?

    Kevin Charles posted a very interesting question: “So that being said do we want to be raptured or kept here on earth through the tribulation?”
    His previous post was in reference to Matthew 24:37-47 which references Noah and the “rapture”.
    I think is a rather fascinating question-one of which I don’t have an opinion at the moment. I have never considered a rapture to be anything other than a rapture of the Church.
    Hope you can answer, but if not I really enjoy the videos!


  • Joel
    Posted at 05:27h, 04 June

    No one “wants” to go through tribulation, but that is somewhat irrelevant. All pre-tribbers believe that Israel will go through the time of Jacob’s Trouble while we are gone. In my opinion, if the Jews are to be persecuted by Satan during this time, I would prefer to be here, even if difficult, so as to serve those without whom I would not be in the faith, and perhaps save some. Sorry for such a brief response.

  • Zach Kramer
    Posted at 11:30h, 04 June

    Very humble response. Thank you Joel, gives me a lot to think about.

  • Herwig from Austria
    Posted at 14:41h, 05 June

    Hi Joel,

    thank you for your patience with eyeryone and answering all the questions here in this forum in a very humble way! I know this may be a bit off topic but besides the discussion on “THE SIGN”, it has also been argued lately that in 2017 something big must be going to happen to Israel since it has been 500 years now from the year 1517 (10 Jubelees from the year of reformation), 100 years (2 Jubilees) from the Balfour Declaration, 70 years (!) from founding Israel as a nation (UN resolution), 50 years from the Six-Day War and so forth. Do you believe something big will be happening to Israel this year – maybe a major war again? Would appreciate your view on that!


  • Joel
    Posted at 14:50h, 05 June

    Hi Herwig,

    Something big could happen any year. Nearly anything is possible. And of course, time will tell.


  • John Cartin
    Posted at 13:33h, 07 June

    Hi Joel I was intending to visit Israel this year between 11-25 September and have booked my flights and hotel. I am going on my own and leaving my wife and kids to see the glorious land. I then stumbled across Scotty Clark’s theory and it has to be honest freaked me out. I couldnt bear to be away from my family if the rapture was to occur and would much rather be with them and witness.. I then read about the 10 Jubilee prophecy of Rabbi Judah ben Samuel which seems to predict this year as the year of great significance. This is all totally new to me. I know you’ve spoken a lot about the sign in heaven but can you give me your views about Rabbi Judah Ben Samuels predictions and anything else about what he has said as I seek to come to a conclusion on this subject.

  • Joel
    Posted at 15:33h, 07 June


    Go to Israel. Is Rabbi Judah ben Samuel a Messianic believer? If not, does He have the Holy Spirit? If not, then why allow some prophecy to unnerve you? Anything can happen at any time. This year is no different. I’ll be in Australia away from my family at that time having a great time ministering the Gospel to His people, preparing for the actual biblical events that are looming on the horizon.

  • Joel
    Posted at 17:45h, 07 June


    In no way does it mean that every element of what is described must be future. It simply is not the case.

  • Joel
    Posted at 20:04h, 07 June


    First, I am not a pre-tribber. I hold to the pre-wrath via of the rapture. Second, the portion of Rev. 12 that speaks of the woman giving birth to Jesus the King has already been fulfilled. You just acknowledged this in your previous comment. It was this specific sign that led the Magi to Jesus.

    The angel said he was about to show John things about to take place. He then proceeded to do just that. The text does not say “exclusively” future events in some rigid sense. This is how normal communication and language works.


  • Joel
    Posted at 20:40h, 07 June

    The child who is born is caught up to God, and is never once referred to with the plural “they.” That this speaks of Jesus’ birth is beyond question.

    Second, I do not allow this site to be used by those seeking to self-promote their own sites. Your posts with your links have been removed.

  • Joel
    Posted at 02:17h, 08 June


    I’ve taken away any word from the Book. Rather you literally have sought to add the words “exclusively” and “they” neither of which are there.

    “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book” —Revelation 22:18

  • Brandon
    Posted at 14:27h, 09 June


    I just watched this after watching these youtube videos and your interpretation by far is the best counter argument to these claims. My only question is more of confusion with part of this sign being already fulfilled and the other part not yet fulfilled. I completely understand the first part being fulfilled representing Christ being born and that the alignment has already happened along with other signs that caused the magi to make a move. What part of the prophesy is yet to be fulfilled? The Dragon sweeping a third of the stars to earth? And is the constellation hydra representative of the dragon? Please point me in the right direction.

  • Ken Walker
    Posted at 18:07h, 09 June

    Thanks so much for this video you took the time to make. I did not catch up it until the 9th of June 2017.
    Actually,being quite confused by all other opinions of this September 23rd sign, I thought of seeing if you had said anything about it – and then I stumbled over it quite accidently.
    Agree with balanced teaching issue and your definitive explanation of the false sign, sorted it out for me completely.
    Thanks Brother

  • Lily Helen
    Posted at 04:56h, 10 June

    Hi Joel,
    I was just wondering, when you show that Jupiter does not stay in the womb for the entire nine months but leaves the womb and re-enters do you view it from the perspective of Jerusalem? I found your video very insightful by the way.

  • Joel
    Posted at 07:27h, 10 June

    Yes, from Jerusalem.

  • Joel
    Posted at 07:31h, 10 June


    Its entirely a normal thing within the form of apocalyptic prophecies to contain a broad overview of some subject. The vision is someone historical but then settles on the last days, with Satan going after Israel. I highly recommend getting a couple good commentaries on Revelation. Osborne’s is a good starting place.


  • Hazel Kagey
    Posted at 22:37h, 11 June

    I am new to this and scanned nearly all of the previous blogs. The one thing I heard about the significance of the Constalation Virgo this year is that it will take place on the Feast of Trumpets celebrated by the Jewish people. This is the Jewish year of 777.
    Thank you all for your fervent belief in Jesus Christ. Whatever happens in the sky is meant to celebrate HIStory. Blessings to all.

  • Joel
    Posted at 06:18h, 12 June


    Jupiter leaves what would be considered Virgo’s womb several days before Yom Teruah. Those perpetrating this fraud are not being honest. I had a long conversation with Scott Clarke on the phone and even he admitted that Jupiter leaving Virgo’s womb doesn’t actually coincide with Yom Teruah. Neither is the sun clothing her at this time.

  • Gregory Alan McKown
    Posted at 07:17h, 12 June

    Dear Joel Jew Fool.

  • Gregory Alan McKown
    Posted at 07:19h, 12 June

    I know you did not post my prior letter: because you are a FOOL condemned to eternal hell of perdition and this was not unexpected of a Jew DEVIL.

  • Joel
    Posted at 08:47h, 12 June

    Hi Gregory,

    Thank you for your post. Unfortunately, it is not the policy of this web-site to post incoherent hate filled rants. You may find better luck on some white-supremacist, conspiracy theorist, mental illness support group forum.


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    Posted at 12:58h, 12 June

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  • Miguel Marcelo Cuadras
    Posted at 13:49h, 12 June

    The sign that will appear in the sky on September 23, 2017 is NOT the GREAT SIGN of Revelation Chapter 12:1.

    The content of the video “Apocalypse 12 and 13 REVEALS in the Stars” 1080p (Turn on English Subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhcoap_H9mQ&feature=youtu.be is really extraordinary, wonderful and surprising, because reveals how the angel sent by God to his servant John was based on the constellations to show us a summary of the War between Good and Evil.
    Now we know that this story was captured first in the stars!! And afterwards “in an illustrated book” too: Rev. 12 and Rev. 13.

    Although Rev. 12 may seem to the Christians of today a lesson in history, it was not for the early Church of almost 2000 years ago, which suffered severe persecution on the part of Rome after the death of Yahshua. Nor was it for those who suffered and were killed during the papal Inquisition.

    Let us begin…

    With the video we can see that the tail of the Serpent (Serpens Cauda) is in a large group of stars in the Milky Way and this group of stars REPRESENTS the abyss. We also see that the Sagittarian Constellation SYMBOLIZES a king who is about to ascend from the abyss, according to Rev. 11:7 and 17:8; His name in Hebrew is Abaddon and, in Greek, Apollion, according to Rev. 9:11. And this king refers to John Paul II (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Eb0nMC3LY).

    But the most important thing about this video is that the 12-star crown is made up of 2 (two) constellations: that of Coma Berenice (of Berenice’s queen) which has 3 (three) stars and that of Leon (Israel’s crown, The Tribe of Judah), which has 9 stars. Nothing says of the planet Jupiter inside the belly of the constellation Virgo. Nothing is said of the three planets, Mercury, Mars and Venus. Why? Because in both Rev. Chapter 12 and in Rev. Chapter 13 the apostle John saw images based only on CONSTELLATIONS! HE DIDN’T SEE ANY IMAGES based on PLANETS. This means that Rev. 12:5 has no relation to the planet Jupiter but to the constellation of Libra (the Scale means Justice and Judge) as is revealed in the recommended video.

    So WHAT does the planet Jupiter that’s circulating so much on the net TRULY represent? SATAN is behind this.

    Let’s keep going…

    Once a year the sun lights up (dresses) the constellation Virgo. And every 12 years Jupiter passes through Virgo and every 83 years this planet makes a retrograde movement within the Virgo Constellation. And in all the months of September or October, it is common for the sun to appear in Virgo with the moon at its feet.
    What does this mean? THAT THE ONLY STRANGE next September 21, Feast of Trumpets, IS THE ALMOST PERFECT ALIGNMENT OF THE PLANETS VENUS, MARS AND MERCURY while the PLANET JUPITER leaves the womb of Virgo. It is a novel fact, never before recorded in all of history. But it turns out that Rev. 12 does not speak of any planet, nor of a planetary alignment. And curiously all this takes place during the hundredth anniversary of the apparitions of the “Woman in the Sun”, the virgin of Fatima who “appeared” in the sky in 1917. Satan is plotting for this year, because this phenomenon of four (4) planets does not appear in Rev. 12.

    Also with Google Sky there are those who speculate, using infrared, that NASA is hiding something in space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcNQRy79IrY&vl=en. Many believe that after September 23, the Comet 67P or the planet X – Nibiru will appear under the feet of Virgo as the great red “dragon” of Revelations 12. However, we already learned in the video mentioned at the beginning that God configured The dragon of Rev 12:3 around the Constellation Draco + Constellation Serpens Caput (head of the serpent and its 10 horns) + Constellation Corona Borealis (Crown of the North, with 7 heads and 7 crowns) + Serpens Constellation Tail (Snake Tail) to describe in a perfect way the scarlet dragon of Rev. 12:3: “And there appeared another sign in heaven: behold a great scarlet dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems;”

    Something more to reveal …

    I was researching about the constellation “Coma Berenices” and I found that means “Berenice hair or Berenice hair”. It is located west of the constellation Leo and near the head of the constellation Virgo.
    The star “Diadem” is the second brightest star in the constellation “Coma Berenices” and presumes to be the jewel in the crown of Queen Berenice. This is derived from the Greek διάδημα (dídēma) which can be translated as “band” or “fillet”.
    The constellation Coma Berenices, interestingly, was not established as a constellation until the sixteenth century.
    At the time of the apostle John, Coma Bernenices was considered as part of the constellation Leo.
    The Greek astronomer Ptolemy considered Coma Berenices as an asterism in the constellation of Leo. It represented the plume at the end of the tail of the lion, and it was not until the sixteenth century that Berenice’s hair was promoted to a constellation in its own right.

    Asterism is a set of stars that seen from Earth appear to have a special arrangement or alignment in geometric form that are easily rememberable when evoking figures.

    And finally …

    Let’s not expect another dragon for after 9/23/2017, because If it appears another dragon in the sky would be by Satan to attempt against the Holy Scriptures and deceive many.

    The apostle John saw a GREAT red dragon (as detailed in the video above) after seeing a woman dressed in the sun with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. But WE can see the two signs, Revelation 12:1 and Rev. 12:3 using current technology for several months before September 23, 2017 thanks to the video I quoted at the beginning or using the Stellarium program (http://stellarium.org/). With this free open source planetary program for computers we can see a realistic 3D sky.


    The sign that will appear in the sky on September 23, 2017 is NOT the GREAT SIGN of Rev. 12:1 because no PLANETS appear in Rev. 12, nor in Rev. 13.
    Satan has CHANGED the constellation of Coma Berenice (of Queen Berenice) which has 3 stars for 3 (three) planets: Mars, Mercury and Venus. So why this CHANGE? So that we will ALSO accept the planet Jupiter as a symbol of the Messiah that is to come. But who is that Messiah? …

    The TRUTH is that the two astronomical SIGNS of Revelations Chapter 12 are part of a MEGA IMAGE that covers the most relevant events of all history from Genesis to Revelation, as I said at the beginning of this message: That message was first embodied in the stars!! And afterwards “in an illustrated book”: Rev. Chapters 12 and 13.

    Satan can soon use the event of September 23 next to deceive many. He knows how to twist the Holy Scriptures in the eyes of the world. That’s why we say “CAUTION!” because the resurrection of John Paul II is at the gates!!..

    Marcelo Cuadras

  • Miguel Marcelo Cuadras
    Posted at 13:50h, 12 June

    Let’s review …

    The 12-star crown, TODAY, is composed by 2 (two) constellations: that of Coma Berenice (of Queen Berenice) which has 3 (three) stars and that of Leon (Israel’s crown, the Tribe of Judah) which has 9 stars.
    But let us remember that in the time of the apostle John, Coma Bernenices was considered part of the constellation Leo.
    And what did Satan do? First DIVIDED Leo constellation in 2 (two) parts; for what? To later REPLACE the constellation of Coma Berenice (of the queen Berenice) that has 3 (three) stars FOR 3 (three) planets: Mars, Mercury and Venus. But Satan makes the CHANGE in the minds of many people, not in heaven.

    The MALE SON who was born is represented by the constellation of Libra, not by the planet Jupiter. The constellation of the Boyero symbolizes the MALE SON who will rule with IRON ROD TO ALL NATIONS. And the constellation Cepheus refers to the MALE SON when he was RUSHED FOR GOD AND HIS THRONE. Through these three constellations it is revealed to us that the SON MALE IS THE MESSIAH YAHSHUA: “And she gave birth to a son, who will rule with a rod of iron to all the nations, and his son was caught up to God and to his throne . “(Rev. 12:5)

    God spoke to the apostle John about constellations, not MIXING constellations with planets.
    Satan is the one who MIXES.

    The two signs in the sky of Rev. 12 aren”t for September 23, 2017 OR FOR ANY OTHER DATES IN PARTICULAR. Why? Because before our eyes “no constellation has changed place in the whole history of humanity.” THE LOCATION of all the constellations in the time of the apostle John FOLLOWS THE SAME as of today. In two thousand years “they have not changed their position in space”.

    Stars do move in the sky and they do it at fantastic speeds! But they are so far away from planet Earth that our eyes do not perceive their movements. Therefore it is said that the constellations “do not change places” or “do not move” for our view.

    In both antiquity and today, the human being has always been able to differentiate a star from a planet. But in the times of the apostle John astronomers didn’t know that the stars moved, only perceived the movement of the planets.

    “A constellation, in astronomy, is a conventional cluster of stars whose position in the night sky is APPEARING unchanged.” (https://es.)

    Something else to finish …

    “I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns; And on his horns ten diadems; And upon their heads a blasphemous name. “(Rev. 13:1)

    Here the apostle John saw a beast configured by God around the Constellation Draco + the Constellation Serpens Caput (head of the serpent and its 10 horns) + the Constellation Corona Borealis (North Crown, with 7 heads and 7 crowns) + The constellation Serpens Cauda (serpent’s tail) + the Lince Constellation (similar to a leopard) + the Constellation Big Bear (its feet like the bear’s feet) + the constellation Leo Minor (its mouth as the lion’s).

    “And the beast that I saw was like to a leopard, and his feet like a bear’s, and his mouth like a lion’s …” (Rev. 13:2)

  • Ahdir hobbs
    Posted at 03:40h, 13 June

    I’m really really scared I don’t know what I believe in I’m 13 and I really don’t want to die yet I just want to live a long life.

  • Ahdir hobbs
    Posted at 03:42h, 13 June

    I just want to know if it’s real or fake because I really don’t want to die I don’t know what i believe in I just want to live a long life

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:27h, 13 June


    It is not going to be the end of the world friend. Have you given your life to Jesus and trusted him for your salvation yet?

  • Jacek
    Posted at 02:30h, 14 June

    I Have a question whether 23 september 2017 will be the end of world because i’m really scared

  • Joel
    Posted at 10:19h, 14 June

    Hi Jacek,

    No, September 23 will absolutely not end the world. Nevertheless, the end (death) for anyone could come tomorrow and we do well to repent, place our faith and give our lives to Jesus and prepare our hearts for the soon coming judgment.


  • The Truth Hurts
    Posted at 09:12h, 15 June

    EVERY Sept Virgo appears EVERY year there is a SIGN. Seems like crying wolf. Im done being a sucker

  • Rhudel George
    Posted at 20:25h, 15 June

    You are doing a fantastic job. in refuting the 9/23/17 error. However, I note that even YOU have been duped into wrongly thinking that September 23rd is the Feast of Trumpets. This is an error. September 22nd is the day of Trumpets for 2017. It starts the evening of September 21st. This makes the whole concept and emphasis on September 23 suspect.

    There is no Jewish source or others who regularly, like myself, keep all the Feast days that will be keeping Trumpets on September 23rd. Let us remember that, like the Sabbath, holy days beging from sundown to sundown. Sabbath is not from 12 midnight Friday to 12 midnight Saturday, as you know, but rather from Friday, Sundown to Saturday sundown.

    This is only more evidence that 9/23/17 lacks any spiritual value and you are right that September 24th, the next day will just be a normal day and life will go on.

    R. George

  • Rhudel George
    Posted at 20:29h, 15 June


    Here are all the dates for the Feast days for 2017

    These Holy Day dates are for Israel and regions westward to the International Date Line.
    This may be Year 6021 After Creation.

    Date Sunset Moonset Illum. Sun’s [Moon’s at Sunset] Sun’s Visib Visible?
    (Evening) % Azimuth Azimuth Altitude Alt(M) Number
    27 Mar 5:55 5:18 0.33 93.34 92.99 -8.25 7.71 -65.91 Not Visible
    28 Mar 5:56 6:24 0.50 93.80 90.36 4.84 -5.92 57.48 Not Visible
    29 Mar 5:57 7:30 3.46 94.26 87.56 18.1 -19.4 225.4 Visible
    Abib 1 is Thursday, 30 Mar 2017 CE
    The Passover sacrifice is Wednesday, 12 Apr 2017 CE
    The Feast of Unleavened Bread begins on Thursday, 13 Apr 2017 CE
    and ends on Wednesday, 19 Apr 2017 CE
    The Wave Offering (the First-fruit) is Sunday, 16 Apr 2017 CE
    First-fruits (Pentecost) is Sunday, 4 Jun 2017 CE
    Date Sunset Moonset Illum. Sun’s [Moon’s at Sunset] Sun’s Visib Visible?
    (Evening) % Azimuth Azimuth Altitude Alt(M) Number
    20 Sep 5:38 6:01 0.29 91.00 89.75 3.81 -4.84 44.69 Not Visible
    21 Sep 5:37 6:36 2.39 90.54 79.75 11.4 -12.6 146.5 Visible
    The Day of Trumpets is Friday, 22 Sep 2017 CE
    The Day of Atonement is Sunday, 1 Oct 2017 CE
    The Feast of Tabernacles (Ingathering) begins on Friday, 6 Oct 2017 CE
    and ends on Thursday, 12 Oct 2017 CE
    The Last Great Day is Friday, 13 Oct 2017 CE

  • Wendell Walton
    Posted at 15:50h, 22 June

    I appreciated MIGUEL MARCELO CUADRAS comments and echo the importance of doing diligence. While I acknowledge that scripture spoke to and through the original listeners to us, and that with many prophetic scriptures there is a telescopic effect–in other words, some of the events have already taken place, some are in our future–I think reason would dictate that the Revelation passages are reserved for the folks who will actually live through them. That said, the notion of Rev 12 and the child being taken up referring to a past event regarding Jesus, doesn’t make sense. In context, “a great sign appeared in the heavens” indicating that the sign was not observable before. Planets are referred to as “wandering stars”, therefore how is this great sign to APPEAR unless other astrological bodies are considered? Since the September event is extremely unique, it would be foolish of us to simply disregard, since God many times uses symbolism to illustrate. Did not John the Baptist come in the spirit of Elijah? Could not this sign in the heavens be in the spirit of the Rev 12 passage? I know we have to be careful here, but if you take what we know (Leo plus 3 planets, Jupiter gestating in Virgo, a possible winged planet emerging), you don’t have to practice cognitive dissonance to see that this interpretation is still valid. I’m not too hung up on the perfect alignment with feast days for two reasons: 1. No where in Rev does it indicate that the great sign has to fall on a feast day, and 2. Since the feast days are counted by the sighting of the new moon, it could shift slightly (maybe even because of the coming perterbance).
    Let me make this absolutely clear: There are other end times indicators that must be in place before the coming of the Lord, so unless the temple is built, sacrifices are offered, etc., this is not an end of days scenario. 3 1/2 years from now, we may look back and see that this event heralded the beginning of the tribulation period, who knows? What we can rejoice in is that more and more people are keeping a diligent watch, which is what we are supposed to be doing. Personally, I look to the first four chapters of Rev (the letters to the seven churches) to ensure I am doing the things that Jesus commends, and steer clear of those that he condemns–I suggest we all do the same.
    To reiterate, if the constellations are already there, and “Once a year the sun lights up (dresses) the constellation Virgo. And every 12 years Jupiter passes through Virgo and every 83 years this planet makes a retrograde movement within the Virgo Constellation. And in all the months of September or October, it is common for the sun to appear in Virgo with the moon at its feet”, then what NEW and GREAT sign are we looking for? Other than some unforeseen tearing of the fabric of the universe (which will happen too, but later), the September event is the most likely candidate.

  • M. Feltner
    Posted at 23:27h, 22 June

    Where did you find out that this has already taken place in the 1st Century?

  • Joel
    Posted at 06:29h, 23 June

    The Bible tell us this was already fulfilled. Jesus has already been born. In fact, this was clearly the sign that the Magi observed and followed to find Jesus the Messiah. Have you seen the film, the Star of Bethlehem? It is very helpful.

  • Nunofya Biznass
    Posted at 22:23h, 23 June

    I didn’t read all the comments, but let me just say my two cents. God told Abraham and Lot about things that were coming, Noah, David, Samuel, Solomon, his prophets, his apostles, and John the Revelator and Paul who was considered a 13th apostle, 14th if you count Matthias and Judas. The verses that are being placed together based on the wording and usages and overall theme seem to suggest a very good possibility that this time is at the very least very extremely significant. I am a believer who is getting very convinced by how things seem to be falling into place. If one reads the verse in Daniel about knowledge increasing with Psalm 16 and Isaiah 66 and so many Revelation and new testament verses, it’s like the puzzle pieces are falling into place.

  • Nunofya Biznass
    Posted at 22:39h, 23 June

    And a lot of what i am seeing being reported here is not what’s on the videos I have watched. The ones I have seen, the sun is at the woman’s head over her shoulder, just as a photographer would place a light for a picture, the moon under her feet, Leo with 9 stars plus Mars, Mercury, and Venus as wandering stars above her head as the diadem, Jupiter having been in retrograde completely in the box of Virgo’s womb, and another snakey constellation near Virgo’s feet. Now if Nibiru or Planet X really is something real, it could really be in play, and I have heard before that how they found Pluto, not even c9nsidered a planet anymore, was because of the effects in Uranus and Neptune, they thought something else could be out there. Some people are saying it’s a long elliptical that’s on a 33 degree plane, and it could be that that’s what the Freemasons 33 degree came from. They worship the beast, Lucifer, the angel of light. Now i haven’t watched your video above yet because i am with family, but i will later and see what you have to say.

  • Rita R
    Posted at 23:00h, 23 June

    Sorry just this, i am not gonna hide my name, it’s not what i posted above, perfect love casts out fear.

  • Marek
    Posted at 05:00h, 25 June

    Name is Mark and am 16 years old write to you mr. Richardson because i have to know and i am very very scared on september 23 2017 will be the end of the world ?

  • Joel
    Posted at 05:44h, 25 June

    Hi Marek,

    No, it will not be the end of the world.

  • Marek
    Posted at 08:28h, 25 June

    Mr.Richardson you are sure to not end of the world because a i am very very scared

  • Joel
    Posted at 11:36h, 25 June


    First of all, if you are a Christian, you have nothing to fear. Are you a Christian? Have you given your life to Jesus Christ? Have you trusted him and his atoning work on the cross for the forgiveness of sins?

    Second, the world will not end, and there will be no rapture this September.

  • Wendell Walton
    Posted at 12:59h, 25 June

    Joel & M. FELTNER,
    Hey, just watched The Star of Bethlehem documentary–that was great! Thanks for suggesting. I really enjoyed Fred Larson’s methodical approach (leave it to an attorney, right?).Interesting that in the same way God revealed to Fred the truth of the Star of Bethlehem and the events surrounding the signs in the heavens, is the same way that God revealed to Scott Clark the upcoming September sign. 🙂

    There were some great insights from the video, however, Fred’s references to Rev 12 are problematic. He does validate that planets are referred to as “wandering stars” and the Maggi interpreted them as such. The fact that Jupiter (king planet) retrograded around Regulus (king star and part of the Leo constellation–Lion of Judah) nine months before the Star of Bethlehem appeared was amazing! However, in the video Fred references Rev 12, the virgin being Mary, the son Jesus, the Dragon being Herod, and showed the constellation Virgo clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet and exclaimed: “That’s what John saw!” In other words, stating that John was witnessing past events. But as I’ll explain further below, John could not have been viewing past events.

    Now, without getting too deep into the weeds, anyone who studies scripture knows that there are many types that God has written in human history, that what has happened before has significance for what happened later or what will happen in the future. For example, the Law was a precursor to Grace–when the Law was given, 3,000 were cut down with the sword because they did not side with God; but on the day of Pentecost, 3,000 lives were saved when their hearts were circumcised/cut by the sword of the Holy Spirit. Scripture says that just as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the end times, Jesus is the second Adam etc.–there are countless examples.

    Sure, you can pull a few things from Rev 12 and say that they applied to Jesus, Mary, and Herod, BUT there are significant details included in the Rev 12 passage that did not occur in the time of Jesus. What about the dragon’s tail sweeping a third of the stars down, which happens BEFORE the birth (plus the passage itself identifies the dragon as Satan, not Herod)? What about AFTER the child is caught up, the virgin fled to the wilderness for three and a half years–which directly connects it to the tribulation period (Mary fled to Egypt BEFORE Jesus ascended, and the time in Egypt ranges from weeks to a few years)?

    What about AFTER the child is caught up, a war broke out in heaven and Satan was cast down to the earth to slaughter those who hold to the TESTIMONY of JESUS? You could say that Satan is already here, has already been cast down, but Revelation makes a distinction; he is the accuser of the brethren now, but: Rev 12:10 “For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.” In other words, Satan had access to God’s throne in heaven to accuse us, and after the war with Michael, he is thrown down to earth and no longer has access to the third heaven. To be fair, you could argue that at the crucifixion, Jesus crushed the head of the snake (Satan), I could see a war breaking out, and you could claim that the persecution of Christians during the Roman times was Satan’s backlash–but this doesn’t connect all of the pieces of the Rev passage because right after you have the emergence of the beast, the prophet of the beast, mark of the beast, etc., and all of this happens while the woman is in the wilderness, kept safe from Satan’s wrath (no telescoping effect).

    The Book of Revelation, by nature, is a foretelling of future events: Rev 1:1 “The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.” Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is NOW and what will take place LATER.” Rev 4:1 “After this (the 7 letters to the 7 churches) I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place AFTER this.”

    I can’t find any reference in Revelation to PAST events–can you? So why wrench Rev 12 out of context? The male child was “snatched up”–harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force, whereas Jesus was “taken up”–epairó: to lift up, rise up. (Strongs) Interestingly enough, harpázō is the same Greek word used in the rapture-type passages (Note: I am not saying that the rapture will happen in September as some believe–if it happens, great, if not, I’m fully prepared–as anyone can be, I guess–to die for my faith. I’m just acknowledging that the same Greek word is used).

    If you’re getting hung up on “a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”, I can see room to interpret it in this way: Fred referenced Gen 49:10 “The scepter WILL NOT DEPART from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, UNTIL he to whom it belongs shall come and the obedience of the nations shall be his.” Let’s look at this verse in light of Rev 2:26-28 “To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give that one the morning star.” This was in reference to the obedient servants of the Church of Ephesus in the 7 letters to the churches. So the way I see it is that when Jesus comes back and subdues the nations (with the help of those who have been translated), he will delegate his authority during the millennial period to the faithful. The wording is exactly the same in BOTH Revelation passages: “will rule (the nations) with an iron scepter”–so let’s let scripture define itself, especially when the references are in the same book.

    To recap: the Maggi saw a great sign in heaven, which led them on a journey to find Jesus–and this great sign appeared when the planets aligned/behaved in a strange, very uncommon, way.

    Joel, my friend, I ask you again: What great sign, “suddenly” appearing in heaven are we supposed to be looking for? If you like, feel free to email me directly for “iron sharpening iron” session before you make your next follow-up video! lol Hey, if I’m wrong, I’m open to feedback–I don’t have all the answers–I’m just one beggar showing another beggar where they’re handing out the bread.

    Oceans of blessings, wisdom, and insight to you Joel.
    And just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water… lol

  • Joel
    Posted at 16:32h, 25 June


    Virgo is Israel, but in the most specific sense, Mary was the chosen one from among Israel who actually gave birth. So I understand what Fred Larson is saying. It need not necessarily be a rigid one or the other. I understand that you truly hope something great is going to happen this September, but as you have now seen, Scotty Clarke has not only exaggerated the “great sign,” but has also mislabeled certain stars as having significance this year, he has also applied the meaning of the stars wrongly to the wrong celestial bodies, and has even misinterpreted the meaning of Jupiter as pointing to us and not Jesus, etc. etc. The bottom line is rather than repenting for misleading people a few years ago, Scotty has simply dug in his heals and will now mislead far far more people. I’m truly sad that folks are being duped by this. Many will be greatly disappointed this September. I’ve at least done my part to extend my warning.


  • Wendell Walton
    Posted at 13:04h, 26 June

    Hey, I just ordered Reversing Hermon, and Mystery of the Mazzaroth (as well as your new book Mystery Babylon: Unlocking the Bible’s Greatest Prophetic Mystery) because more information is always better. I’m a firm believer that we desperately need to be intellectually honest–examine all sides of an argument–and in that way, the lies fall away and the truth rises to the surface. I’ve found that this happens a lot when studying scripture–God brings to light a deeper understanding of a verse that challenges our traditional thinking, and it may force us to go back and take a second look at other related verses. But cast in the light of the new understanding, the other verses shed a new light, and a greater, more holistic understanding of our Father and his immeasurable love is gained. As the apostle Paul says, we have renewed our minds, and have been transformed. I’m much more concerned with the truth than just being right. Swallowing your pride is a healthy meal! 🙂

    Please don’t misunderstand me–I’m not “hoping” that something will happen in September. Like you, several years ago I found out that Scotty was claiming to have found some sort of alignment of the stars that coincided with the Rev 12 prophecy. So in the “CSI Investigation” of Rev 12, what is the crime scene? I think if we look at the verses like a map, a breadcrumb trail that builds one step on another, it is easier to understand (for me at least! lol).

    To begin our investigation we have to start with Rev 11. It is evident that there is a clean break in the timeline between Rev 11 and 12. So when do the events of Rev 12 begin? It’s anybody’s guess. Our next clue is that there is a GREAT sign in heaven–something happens that has not happened before–and the sum of the to-be-mentioned clues comprise the great sign.

    Clue #1: Where to look? The Woman. Since there is only one female in the 12 constellations, this is a no-brainer.

    Clue #2: Clothed with the sun. I found an interesting article (http://www.sigler.org/eby/heavens5.html) that points out: “In the Greek there are two words used for CLOTHED, one is ENDUO and the other is PERIBALLO. In this particular case the word PERIBALLO, is used, and realizing that every word is important in respect to where and how it is used by the Spirit of God in the scriptures, we know that PERIBALLO is distinctly illuminative. ENDUO means to GO INTO CLOTHING which infers that the clothing is of a certain size and specification into which a person must fit. In other words, a person up to a particular size could fit into a certain garment, but over that size it would be impossible to get into it. On the other hand, PERIBALLO means to CAST AROUND ABOUT which would infer some sort of a garment that can be put on and cast around a person and made to fit the person rather than the person fit the garment. “For instance, Lk. 24:49 speaks about ‘being ENDUED (endue–clothed) with power from on high’ referring to the infilling of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Here the word used means to be CLOTHED with power in the sense of GOING INTO CLOTHING, or having the garment of a particular size into which the person must fit… On the other hand, the word PERIBALLO used of the sun-clothed woman infers that this full-grown woman has a covering of the sun that is CAST ABOUT her in such a manner that the garment fits her rather than her trying to fit into the garment.”

    Some have said that the sun must be in Virgo to be able to “clothe” her, but I think we can see here, with the use of PERIBALLO, that the sun is “cast about” her really describes what we should be looking for (and what we can be seen in September).

    Clue #3: The moon at her feet. The sun crossing Virgo gives us a season, the moon crossing Virgo gives us a time of that season. Does it have to be a new moon? It doesn’t say, but it does have to be present when the other clues are present.

    Clue #4: The crown of twelve stars. The Greek word used here is stéphanos, and is used of a plaited wreath (“crown”), like the one made of thorns placed on the head of Christ at His trial. So what crown of 12 stars are we looking for? Joel, you mentioned the Virgo cluster may be a possibility as well as Coma Berenices. Now, not having read yet Heiser’s interpretation, when I google-search the Virgo Cluster (http://messier.seds.org/more/virgo.html), to be honest, from this and other searched pages, I can’t find anywhere that easily distinguishes a crown of 12 stars. Seems like the cluster could be sliced & diced however you interpret it, but the question remains, does God expect everyone to have a Phd in Astrophysics to be able to figure this out? Would the average Joe be able to look up into the sky and say “Hey, there it is, 12 stars above Virgo.”? With Coma Berenices, although widely accepted and identified as a crown of 12 stars, when I look at a star map, Coma Berenices is NOT crowning Virgo–it’s on the side of her “head”. There are other crowns identified in the heavens, such as Corona Borealis that DOES appear above Virgo (https://theheavensdeclare.net/stones-of-a-crown/), unfortunately this crown has twelve stars plus “one in the middle” which is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, in my opinion.

    Clue #5: On her head. I think this is a significant clue. Check out the Greek Interlinear (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12-1.htm) and you’ll find that the Greek word for “on” or “upon” is epi: on, to, against, on the basis of, or at. Not on the side of (as with Coma Berenices) or reaching for (as with Corona Borealis). Also, let’s get back to the sign “appearing” which is of utmost importance. To be fair, can we say that the Woman “appeared”? No, no more than the crowns mentioned appeared–they’ve always been there. The Greek word used is horaó: I see, look upon, experience, perceive, discern, beware. Other English translations say “A great sign was seen in heaven.” So where is the emphasis? Could it be that the Woman, the Sun, the Moon, the Crown, and the Male Child are all semi-regular occurrences (and maybe even the Dragon), but when the Dragon appears and sweeps a third of the stars out of the sky, that’s the trifecta of the Great Sign? It just may be and we don’t need to concern ourselves until that happens.

    Joel, who says you can’t steal stars from Leo? The average Joe is going to look up and say “Hey, I thought Leo was above Virgo, but now I see 12 stars–guess it’s a royal crown!” And then he’ might say “Holy Crap! A third of the stars are coming down!” lol

    Clue #6: She was pregnant. Jupiter in retrograde totally fits here.

    Clue #7: She cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. “Just breathe honey!” 🙂 A reasonable connection could be made, I think, to the references Jesus makes to the end times being like “birth pains”. Gill Broussard has a number of great reference documents (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bxo1G-IXQh2Yem1XVzdRZ25jajA), one of which shows how the number of earthquakes this last decade has been GREATLY increasing.

    Clue #8: Another sign appears/is seen/perceived/discerned. Scripture makes a point of indicating that this is something new; a new element is thrown into the mix. Especially when the Greek word idou is used meaning “Behold!” (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12-3.htm).

    Clue #9: Behold, a dragon, red and great. Of the Nibiru/Planet X material I have reviewed, Gill Broussard’s Planet 7X research seems the most grounded in historical events. It is REALLY tedious to sift “urban legend” from fact-based research from “the sky is falling” mentalities. Is there a perterbance? Yes. Is NASA covering something up? Yes. Is it heading in our direction? If you held a gun to my head I’d have to say yes. Will it be here soon? Gill gave a prediction of 2016, but did provide a weighted range–all the way out to 2022ish. Are the perterbance occurrences documented in historical records? YES, if you know what to look for. Is this about the time these occurrences cycle back around. Unfortunately, yes. Is Google Sky hiding some celestial body that appears to be waiting for the birth of the male child? YES.

    Clue #10: Its tail flung a third of the stars to the earth. Yikes! This is when I want to hang with the Doomsday Preppers! Seriously though, Revelation is God’s forewarning to us, his beloved children, so that we can prepare ourselves in every way. I don’t judge people for Emergency Preparedness, that’s just being wise. Joel, I agree that it’s sad so many believers have cried wolf over the ages–and yes, teachers are held to a higher standard of accountability. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that programs like Star Gazer are available in our time for the average person to use in their research. The consequences of this particular prophecy are too disastrous not to give grave consideration.

    Clue #11: “The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.” It seems apparent from the timeline in scripture that the appearance of the dragon, and its tail sweeping the stars down to earth occurs before the birth of the male child. Jupiter leaves the “womb” of Virgo sometime in early September. I think it’s reasonable to assume (without making an ass out of u and me–see Walter Matthau, Bad News Bears, lol) that if we don’t see a bunch of meteors pelting the planet between now and then, we’re good! HOWEVER, if something does happen, we’ll be having a whole ‘nother discussion on how to INTERPRET the sign (i.e., who does the Woman & male child represent, etc.).

    Clue #12: Final Jeopardy. We have no control over the child getting snatched up, it just happens. Who this happens to is another question. Since significant distinction is made between the Greek words used to describe Jesus’ “rising up” and the word used in rapture references to “snatch up forcefully”, although I consider myself to be a post-trib rapturist, we have to give it proper weight. It’s not beyond possibility that because the apostle Paul makes a distinction that the dead in Christ will rise first, maybe this will be their translation experience, and ours will be a more telescoping effect that will happen later when Jesus returns–it’s a stretch, but who knows? What we do know is that the Woman flees. She is given an opportunity to get to a safe place. Will this be our opportunity?

    I’m going to stop here. I didn’t intend for this to be so verbose, however, it helps to map it all out on “paper”. I agree that many people may be disappointed, putting too much weight on escape, rather than trusting that God’s promise is to be WITH YOU DURING the trial, and helping you safely through it. “No testing has seised you except what is common to man, and God is faithful. He will not let you be tested beyond what you can bear. But when you are tested, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.” What a promise to those who are faithful unto torture and death! In my opinion, you’re much better off psychologically if you just accept the fact that if you are a Christian and find yourself living during the end times, you’re going to be a martyr.

    One other thing, when researching both sides of the argument, I found this site: http://www.vofoundation.org/blog/biblical-signs-sky-september-23-2017/. It’s The Catholic Astronomer Vatican Observatory blog. They address the Rev 12 prophecy and the 9/23/2017 date to quell anyone’s concerns with pointing out that this is not a unique experience. However, when I clicked on an enlargement of each one of their photo examples, none of them come as close to representing Rev 12 as the date in question. Either the planets, or the sun weren’t in the right places, Also, I wouldn’t be too hard on Scotty–for example, I think because we are God’s children, and the faithful will receive the iron scepter, there is room to interpret Jupiter differently. We can’t look at this in a vacuum either. With all the Israel anniversaries and other prophecies aligning, it just adds more weight to consider this coming event with sober judgement.

  • Joel
    Posted at 13:56h, 26 June


    What makes you sure that the thing you think is virgo’s head is her head and not her arm? I could ask about a dozen similar questions to show that you are making numerous assumptions that cannot be proven open way or the other. I have been very kind to Scott, but in all fairness, there is a small multitude of those who believe we are now in the tribulation specifically because Scott led them to believe such. This requires repentance, not going back to the drawing board. Scott began his journey onto this “revelation” specifically because Jupiter is the “king planet” but now he is casting us as the king. I find this to be beyond credulous and comes across to me as making it up as you go along. I only wish that you would be as skeptical and Berean-like in your efforts as you seem to be in seemingly trying to convince yourself that this is indeed something to be soberly considered. Regardless in three months, this whole matter will be behind us. As I’ve said, I tried to caution everyone.


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