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  • linda
    Posted at 13:18h, 03 February

    Good programme Joel, with some good points.

    Haven’t had chance to fully digest your book yet, but i did read the chapter on Rome.
    Something that helped me to see that its probably not Rome is this( Though i could be wrong).

    The Harlot rides and is used by the beast , is separate from the beast as it destroys her……………..
    Whereas Rome is stated as being the 6th head of the actual beast, being part of his Kingdom.. In my simplistic way
    i’m lead to conclude that Rome like Egypt will be trodden down by the beast, and become his territory. I’ve read that
    conquering Rome is on the islamic to do list, and with the present migration swings, Rome’s demographics could make
    that conquest very simple.

    So i agree with you about Rome.

  • Gary C
    Posted at 12:22h, 05 February

    I was doing a little research on Ancient Babylon over the weekend. It looks like Nabonidus, father of the last king of Babylon Belshazzar, had a southern palace in Tayma, Saudi Arabia. Interestingly even he had a preference for the moon god, Sin over Marduk. and wanted to elevate Sin to the highest status over Marduk..

  • Gary C
    Posted at 12:34h, 05 February

    I must be a partial historicist. I tend to think the four horseman as part of history. Is there such a view? White – age of Constantine, Red-Age of the Islam, Black, the age of markets and trade. The last horse just looks like it ushers in the age of the Antichrist. because of what follows it ” hades…”

  • Judy Reynaert
    Posted at 12:36h, 05 February

    Linda, great observation – thanks for sharing!

  • Joel
    Posted at 13:08h, 05 February

    That would be historicism. Understanding the parallels between the four horseman and the Olivet Discourse makes such views untenable for me. I have little doubt they all fall within the final seven year period.

  • Gary C
    Posted at 15:51h, 05 February

    Thanks for your input, Joel, I will have to study this more. I am planning to get Nelson Walter’s two books on this subject. Currently on a tight budget.

  • Steve Eichler
    Posted at 19:09h, 05 February

    Hello all…and Gary C in particular. I have finished Nelson Walter’s book entitled Rapture: Case Closed and have his Revelation Deciphered on the shelve for reading in the near future. Joel and Nelson have helped me greatly in putting significant structure to the end times scenario. My encouragement to you, in regard to the four horseman, is to look at the parallel track of Matthew 24 and Revelation 6.

  • Marcelo Salles
    Posted at 06:52h, 06 February

    I live in South America. To say that the Catholic Church persecute protestants in here is completely inaccurate. Doesn’t match the reality. People in the USA are sometimes completely off when talking about other parts of the world. American protestants should stop this kind of nonsensical statements regarding the Catholic Church. Christians should definitely start studying more the Church fathers, Christians who lived way before the divisions, and this kind of nonsense regarding Catholicism would completely dissipate.

  • Marilyn Kaye Montell
    Posted at 12:11h, 06 February

    I would love to hear you debate Joel Osteen
    Thx Kaye

  • Jeanne T.
    Posted at 16:52h, 06 February

    Joel I have read your book on Mystery: Babylon. Have you seen this video, which was just posted at Alan Kurschner’s website today:

    “David Rosenthal, Director of Operations at Zion’s Hope, shares about what is taking place in the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia, and the creation of a new metropolis on the Red Sea, and the potential implications for end-times.””

    http://www.alankurschner.com/2018/02/05/is-saudi-arabias-city-neom-mystery-babylon/

    Pretty stunning!!

  • Joel
    Posted at 17:53h, 06 February

    Marcelo,

    In parts of Mexico in particular, persecution of Protestants by Roman Catholics is very real. This is not a matter of ignorance by Americans, but statistical, verifiable reality. When folks like you mock such a notion, you only empower more persecution.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/january/top-50-countries-christian-persecution-world-watch-list.html

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/february/pope-francis-catholic-persecution-protestant-mexico-chiapas.html

  • Ed Nenonen
    Posted at 12:30h, 07 February

    I have been raised in the Evangelical world for 65 years, but I could never buy into the various Babylon interpretations, ie. Rome, Jerusalem, New York City, the apostate church. I was leaning toward a revived Babylon about 15 years ago, just because scripturally the others did not fit. I don’t remember when your book came out with the title Antichrist: Islam’s Awaited Messiah, or something close to that, but it filled in gaps in my interpretation that had stood my entire life. I appreciate your detailed dissection of the scriptures and the simple application.
    The key for me for several years now has been I John, “This is the antichrist…”. He who denies the Father and the Son. It jumped out to me again when you applied it to the Catholic Church. Thanks again for taking the time to highlight some very obvious points that somehow escape the notice of most involved in these discussions. I appreciate your depth with simplicity. I also appreciate your concession that these explanations may not be exactly correct, but I like you do not believe applying these passages to the present worldwide Islamic movement is just another adaptation to fit current events. It seems more likely to be the unveiling of a demonic plan that has somehow stayed in relative obscurity for hundreds of years. Thanks Joel! Your study is greatly appreciated!

  • Joel
    Posted at 14:51h, 07 February

    Indeed Ed. Many Blessings to you!

  • Henriette K.
    Posted at 03:09h, 08 February

    Dear Joel,

    Thank you for composing ‘The Underground’, I’m watching the program with much interest.

    Great to see you referring to the World Watch List ranking on persecution of Christians. I’m part of the team in Open Doors composing this ranking annually and would like to let you know that the most recent version (WWL2018) is available now via: https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5d7iuvuV2QIVDeMbCh1cowE3EAAYASABEgJNI_D_BwE

    Many blessings from the Netherlands!

  • Marcelo Salles
    Posted at 05:54h, 09 February

    Joel, the links you posted reffer to rogue Christians, people who claim to be Christians but are, in the contrary, planting division, prejudice and many other things. There’s no policy within the Catholic Church to persecute protestants. What you have are criminals who claim to be Catholics, and other criminals who claim to be Evangelicals. But what is very true in Mexico is the persecution that both Evangelicals and Catholics suffer in the hands of the narcos.

    Just to be clear, I like your approach and I pretty much agree on everything you have said regarding Islam, Middle East, prophecy and so on. I said in my comments just about my disagreements, but I have not a negative view about you, there are many other topics that I agree with you on. I’m not against you, quite the opposite, just to be clear.

  • Ted Slawinski
    Posted at 10:30h, 09 February

    Another good one Joel. Seems pretty clear to me!

  • Linda Newman
    Posted at 17:33h, 12 February

    I like that you make your case from the scriptures not from the historical record. Everything must fit perfectly not almost.

  • JULIE SATTLER
    Posted at 09:55h, 14 February

    Hi Joel,
    I enjoyed your presentation. No, i do not envision the entire middle east embracing Roman Catholicism, but i do envision a merge between the two major religions, as well as all other religions to make the one false smorgasbord religion of the world in which the anti-christ will operate. You can see the beginnings of it, as it slowly unfolds in the name of the “emerging church.” We are just at the cusp Joel, your getting ahead of yourself. Things are slowly evolving and will change. The pope is already beginning to embrace Islam as a religion of love and peace, and evangelical leaders don’t seem to be preaching the true gospel any more. Life is going to be difficult for our Christian grand kids and great grand kids. Lord help us.

    Julie

  • Gary C
    Posted at 21:02h, 14 February

    Joel,
    I keep up with yours and Mark Davidson’s website. He briefly mentioned in the comments that he doesn’t believe the Great Harlot is Mecca. Some more things that I have found is a lot of prophecy toward a major destruction of Saudi Arabia. You are exactly, correct stick with Scripture not speculative newspaper appearances.

  • Matt
    Posted at 05:40h, 19 February

    Hi Joel,
    Thanks for your great work mate.
    Have you ever thought about writing a commentary on the book of Revelation that incorporates the Islamic AC perspective?
    A comprehensive one for believers, and then a shorter summarised/simplified version in plan language for non christians –
    using the witness of prophecy and eschatology as an evangelism tool to unbelievers?

    Blessings,
    Matt

  • Afo
    Posted at 23:29h, 19 February

    Why does mystery Babylon have to be a literal place? Does the context of writing demand a geographic region or could it just be a symbolism for A.C.s rule of laws or fulfillment of his dictatorship status in a specific timeline!

    Joel: Please make a case that God meant a specific region or geography.

  • Joel
    Posted at 00:08h, 20 February

    I address this specific issue quite extensively in my book. Briefly, the angel, (as he offers the literal interpretation of the symbolism), says that it is a city, eight times. The city is not a metaphor for the symbolic woman. Rather, a city is the interpretation of the symbolism. This is how metaphors and their interpretation work.

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