• Donna Eaton
    Posted at 12:39h, 22 March

    Joel, wow! What a revelation of what Erdoğan is up to! You have been saying for quite some time to ‘watch Turkey’. Thanks so much for all the important info. Love The Underground, look forward to each new post. Praying for you and your family as you requested. Safety for your upcoming secret trip. Also love the new set.

  • Julie Jenkins
    Posted at 19:57h, 22 March

    Ah, your going back to Israel AND Jordan AND visit refugee camps with Grace Outreach Church here in St. Louis?????? Ouuuu….sign me up! I had a blast with you when we went to Israel in 2015 and was so bummed we didn’t get to visit Petra. But now the bonus is to visit refugee camps???? Yes, yes, yes!

    When will you start providing information????? How long will it be, the trip that is??? How much, approximately????


  • Jeff Jones
    Posted at 02:45h, 23 March

    Joel, have you ever done a show on the 7 churches in Rev. They just happen to be in present day turkey. I believe this is further evidence of a Turkish led army. Love your work. God bless.

  • Linda keyes
    Posted at 13:56h, 23 March

    Well done to you Joel!

    Speaking of Islamic army, don’t know if you’ve heard, but your Justice Department have dropped the charges against Erdagon’s thug bodyguards…..
    I guess that’s how it will go.


  • Ed Nenonen
    Posted at 03:11h, 24 March

    There is real danger and destruction imposed on Israel in both the Ezekiel and Zechariah passages before the Lord rescues them. Do you see other passages that suggest Israel will have devastation other than just prior to the Lord’s return? Also, what is it that makes you think Erdogan will not be the ultimate leader of a renewed Ottoman Empire. I appreciate your insight!

    The trip sounds awesome. Looking into possibly joining you from Northern Africa. I have a shorter trip 🤓!

  • Rick Knight
    Posted at 09:52h, 24 March

    Joel, Can/would you speculate what will trigger Iran’s north, west south invasion of the Mideast? Also, since the Iranian invasion must precede Turkey’s (the antichrist’s) rise to power, how can that happen as long as the US has the power to stop it?

  • Gary C
    Posted at 18:45h, 26 March

    Another thing about Turkey is they are the main energy corridor from the Middle East to Europe and Russia. Turkey can define their own and influence foreign policy tremendously because of this.

  • AndrewW
    Posted at 10:38h, 27 March

    Ed Nenonen,
    You should really read Joel’s book Mideast Beast. I had read a bunch of end-times prophecy books from the Roman-Antichrist theory perspective prior to reading that one, and almost all the nagging questions I had about the way they interpret certain Bible passages were answered by Mideast Beast. If you have read it, read it again! The answers to your questions are in there. But to answer them in short, you should qualify what you mean by “other than just prior to the Lord’s return,” but yes, there are many other passages in most or all of the prophets about a future destruction of Israel. To answer your second question, if you read Daniel 8 from a futurist perspective, with “Greece” as modern day Turkey, you will see that some things need to happen and some other leaders need to show up first. It is possible that Erdogan could be the prominent/large horn and the first king.


  • Marcus Maddox
    Posted at 21:51h, 28 March

    I helped support your studio effort. Maybe you can help me figure out this scripture,
    Hosea 1:11
    “The people of Judah and the people of Israel will come together; they will appoint one leader and will come up out of the land, for great will be the day of Jezreel.”

    To me it looks like present day Israel will choose a leader and this will cause the people of Israel to flee out of the land and their flight will trigger Armageddon. If this scripture doesn’t mean that, then can you explain the meaning ?
    Thanks, no pressure. Just curious

  • Brad Berryhill
    Posted at 00:10h, 29 March

    Thanks again for faithfully digging-in & sharing w/ such clarity. Got you, your family, and upcoming journey in prayer.

  • Joel
    Posted at 03:46h, 29 March

    Hi Marcus.

    Hosea 1:11 is actually very positive, concerning the restoration of Israel. So just after the LORD gets through the horrible or lowest place of rebuke, where He declares that they will no longer be His people, then He begins to speak of their future restoration. The transition from chastisement to restoration begins in the previous verse: Where it is said to them, “You are not My people,” It will be said to them, “You are the sons of the living God.”

    In verse 11: “Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together.” When it is said, “Your are sons of the living God,” at the final fulfillment of the New Covenant, when Jesus returns, and all Israel is saved, then will come the ultimate uniting of Judah and Israel, which were divided at the time of Hosea. At that time, they will all agree to appoint to themselves one head, which is Jesus, the Messiah. “And they will go up from the land,” is referring to pilgrimage to Jerusalem. (cf. Psalm 122:4, Isa. 2:3). “Jezreel” is just another name for Israel. Though their previous affliction was great, in that day, their glory shall be greater.

    I hope this is helpful.

  • James Bultemeier
    Posted at 08:55h, 31 March

    Joel, you are spot on in so many ways. But, I do not agree that Erdogan is Antichrist but Gog of Ezekiel 38/39. Gog dies in its attack against Israel and is buried in Hamon-Gog. So if Erdogan is Antichrist then how does this work with Ezekiel 38/39? God tells us he kills Erdogan-Gog-1st Seal-White Horseman as he engulfs Israel. Erdogan will revive the new Ottoman Empire and once he takes the Tomb of Suleyman Shah in northern Syria he will probably proclaim himself to be the new Ottoman Emperor. But, Ezekiel 38/39 tells us that Gog and his armies (10 horns) are destroyed. If Erdogan is Gog then he broke the 1st Seal when he went into Syria on Jan. 21, 2018 and Erdogan-Gog then should die on the 6th Seal once he attacks Isreal. This then would bring forth Antichrist on the 6th Trumpet. But, this means that Erdogan-Gog will have to resurrected when Satan is thrown down to heaven with his war with Michael and the angels just prior to the 6th Trumpet. The world will not follow a man. The antichrist and false prophet will be supernatural and the antichrist will be a resurrected Gog that will be an Islamic Allah when he comes forth. The world will be in awe of this and the world will follow this abomination.

  • Marcus Maddox
    Posted at 12:34h, 31 March

    Joel, Thanks for your response.. The Lord bless you, your family and all your endeavors.

  • Joel
    Posted at 20:54h, 31 March


    First, I do not believe Erdogan is the Antichrist. Not sure where you got that notion. As for your other issues, see these two articles:




  • Mark Johnston
    Posted at 23:08h, 01 April

    Hi Joel. Good argument on Islam. Do you have any inside knowledge as to why the US is not supporting the Kurds?. I would have thought that Pence would be very aware of their pro western stance and also their precarious situation. By the way are you not answering emails these days? Regards Mark and Mimi

  • Phillip Fleeman
    Posted at 10:32h, 02 April

    Is it possible that the man referred to here:

    *[[Dan 11:23]] KJV* And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

    That this is the reason for him being called the “little” horn in Daniel 7? Could that “little kingdom” be a revived kingdom of the Kurds/ Medes?

  • Joel
    Posted at 11:18h, 02 April

    Quite possible. I’ve wondered this myself. Time will tell.

  • James Bultemeier
    Posted at 14:30h, 02 April


    Your main premise is that Gog is Antichrist and that he comes from Turkey. Right now the President of Turkey is Erdogan, so he is the main contender at this time. Will it be someone else in the future possibly? So I guess I have interjected him as Gog due to who is in power at this moment and that Erdogan also wants to bring forth the Muslim nations against Israel. But, if the Gog is the President of Turkey or their leader, Erdogan or someone else, then how does Gog die attacking Israel in Ezekiel 38/39 and still live to be Antichrist? Since it tells us that God kills him (Gog) as he moves against Israel. You are saying that this is the battle of Armageddon, but these are all the nations of the world that are left and gather prior to the Lord coming back. I believe that if you open your mind for just a second and place Erdogan in Gog’s shoes he is the one that attacks Israel in the next year, he will be the one that rebuilds the Ottoman Empire and the Caliphate and he is the 1st Seal. And he will break the 6th seal when he reaches Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. Gog will kill him and he will be brought back on the 6th Trumpet. But, time will tell. Antichrist will be defeated at Armageddon. But, Gog will be what ushers in the 7-year covenant of death with Israel. And Antichrist is not just a man, no man can make the whole world follow him. So he has to be supernatural and brought in an as supernatural being.

    Thanks, Joel and God Bless.

  • James Bultemeier
    Posted at 16:16h, 02 April

    Sorry to be a bother, but have a ton of questions.

    If Gog-Antichrist dies in the final battle of Armageddon as you state. Why would they bury him in Hamon-Gog and then just after this throw him into the lake of fire with the false prophet? And why would the Israelis need to bury Gog;’s dead for 7 months and burn the weapons for 7 years? There would be no point.

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:08h, 03 April


    If you click “Free Resources” on my link bar, you will find some excellent articles that answer your questions. My book Mideast Beast is much more extensive and will answer everything more thoroughly.

    Gog is not killed before he is entirely successful in his initial plans. That he is killed before being successful is is a common misunderstanding that is not in accordance the text. Instead the prophecy says that before Gog attacks Israel, the people are in the land and at peace. After his attack, they are being returned as prisoners of war from the lands of their enemies. Gog is not killed until after he successfully invades and nearly destroys the nation. As for your second question, I do not follow. Why would Israel not clean up the mess? People sometimes act as though after Jesus returns, He is going to take all things new with a magic wand. Not the case. Here are a couple of the articles:






  • Linda keyes
    Posted at 14:19h, 03 April

    Wow Joel look.

    I know it’s for self interest, but….


    I’ll try to refrain onless it’s really big, and there’s a million to one chance you missed it😊

  • James Bultemeier
    Posted at 10:25h, 05 April


    I believe that we on the same page in many aspects.

    1. Gog/Antichrist are the same and that they come from Turkey.
    2. The Ottoman Empire is what brings the 10 nations or armies together that attack Israel in end times.
    3. That Gog/Antichrist will die and be resurrected prior to the final battle.

    My question is this.

    When does Gog die?

    I have said it is on the 6th Seal because Gog/Antichrist is the 1st Seal.

    In your scenario when does Gog die?

    Thanks for your time.

  • Joel
    Posted at 11:38h, 05 April

    Definitely after the sixth or seventh seal.

  • James Bultemeier
    Posted at 20:51h, 05 April

    So please entertain a couple more questions.

    So then when you feel Antichrist will rise?

    I say it is on the 6th Trumpet when the 2 beasts rise. Antichrist and False Prophet together.

  • James Bultemeier
    Posted at 09:33h, 07 April

    Joel, you are right about Isiah 14. I believe it explains everything. Here is my understanding of it. Please let me know what you think.

    Isaiah 14 King James Version (KJV)

    14 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob (Israel), and will yet choose Israel (God’s Chosen People and Country), and set them in their own land (Prior to sorrows or start of seals): and the strangers (Gentiles/All Nations) shall be joined with them (42 months or 1260 days), and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob (Israel).
    2 And the people (Gentiles/All Nations) shall take them (Israelis/Jews), and bring them (Israelis/Jews) to their place: and the house of Israel (Jerusalem) shall possess (Jews captive) them in the land of the LORD (Israel) for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them (Israelis/Jews) captives, whose captives they were; and they (Gentiles/All Nations) shall rule over their oppressors.
    3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD (7th Trumpet) shall give thee rest from thy sorrow (Birth pains, 7 seals, 7 trumpets), and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
    4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon (Antichrist), and say, How hath the oppressor ceased (Lake of Fire)! the golden city ceased! (destruction of Babylon – 7 Vials – God’s Wrath).
    5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers (All Nations).
    6 He (God) who smote the people (Gentiles/All Nations without God’s seal) in wrath (7 Vials) with a continual stroke, he (Antichrist) that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
    7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. (Day of the Lord – New Jerusalem – God’s Bride on Earth).
    8 Yea, the fir trees (Strong Tree or Nation of Israel) rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon (Weak Tree – Islam), saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. (Satan bound for 1,000 years, Millennium, Antichrist and False Prophet have been thrown in lake of fire prior to this).
    9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming (bottomless pit opened – 5th Trumpet and Antichrist – 6th Trumpet): it stirreth up the dead for thee (Fallen Angels), even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations (Armageddon – 7th Trumpet – Jesus comes back – Rapture occurs).
    10 All they shall speak and say unto thee (Antichrist), Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? (Antichrist and False Prophet thrown is lake of fire, and Satan is bound for 1,000 years).
    11 Thy pomp (Satan’s Pride/Satan) is brought down to the grave (Michael throwing Satan from Heaven – Satan resurrects Gog into Antichrist – 6th Trumpet), and the noise of thy viols (7 Trumpets): the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee (Gog buried after attacking Israel with the 10 Horns/Nations on 6th Seal).
    12 How art thou fallen from heaven (6th Trumpet), O Lucifer (Satan), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground (thrown to Earth by Michael), which didst weaken the nations (42 months or 1260 days)!
    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount (Temple Mount) of the congregation (Gentiles/Nations), in the sides of the north: (Place of God’s Alter) (Image and abomination or end of 1260 days).
    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Image and abomination or end of 1260 days).
    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. (Michael throwing Satan from Heaven and Beast of the Sea and Earth Arise).
    16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man (Antichrist) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
    17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
    18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. (Gog/Magog War and also man’s refusal to accept our Lord – Spiritual Death). (Israel is a burden to the whole world. (Zechariah 12)).
    19 But thou (Anitchrist) art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch (Gog – Resurrected Antichrist – 6th Trumpet), and as the raiment of those that are slain (Gog’s armies), thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit (Valley of Hamon-Gog); as a carcase trodden under feet.
    20 Thou shalt (not) be joined with them in burial (Antichrist), because thou hast destroyed thy land (Israel), and slain thy people (Jews): the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned (Islam).
    21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. (Islam – build up to Armageddon).
    22 For I (God) will rise up against them (Islam and Antichrist), saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name (Mecca?), and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
    23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
    24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
    25 That I will break the Assyrian (Gog/Antichrist) in my land (Israel), and upon my mountains tread him (Gog/Antichrist) under foot: then shall his (Gog/Antichrist) yoke depart from off them (Jews), and his (Gog/Antichrist) burden depart from off their (Jews) shoulders.
    26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
    27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
    28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
    29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
    30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
    31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
    32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

    Still working on it, but believe overall it is right.

    Thanks again Joel and God Bless.

  • Joel
    Posted at 10:42h, 07 April

    Being thrust out of the grave is a reference to the fact that the AC will not receive a royal burial in a royal sepulcher as other kings. Instead, he will be buried in a mass grave.

  • James Bultemeier
    Posted at 16:43h, 07 April

    Joel, you are right he will be a Turkish President (Gog) and the New Ottoman Emperor and will be buried in a mass grave called Hamon-Gog in a foreign country called Israel.

    So, yes he will not receive a royal burial in a royal sepulcher. But, once he rises again he will be Antichrist.

  • Joel
    Posted at 04:33h, 08 April

    He is Antichrist before he is buried:


  • adam longfield
    Posted at 19:42h, 16 April

    Hey Joel, you may have this info already but interesting to note the connection that Chuck Missler makes from the Septuagint re God from Amos 7 and the cutting of the lawns passage. Here is a link that I pulled up from another author quoting CM as I don’t have my study notes at hand. Interesting parallel that may serve the premise of your thesis, reading from page 37 on. Blessings,. Adam

  • adam longfield
    Posted at 20:55h, 16 April

    Should read Gog not God 🙂

  • adam longfield
    Posted at 22:33h, 16 April

    Oh and one last thing…as a signwriter/painter/decorator I get the creative urge you mentioned and put it to use as able in the church I pastor, blessings, Adam

  • Katelyn Sawatzky
    Posted at 17:32h, 30 April

    Hi Joel, I second JULIE JENKINS’s comment. I have not ever done a missions trip, and I have never been to Israel. I feel a call and desire to do something totally out of my normal life. Do you happen to know when information will be made available for this Israel/Turkey trip? Sounds like an incredible opportunity.

  • Mae Moore
    Posted at 11:15h, 06 April

    I just did a word study on the churches in revelation. It is H3862 lahaqah meaning group. It is used only 1 other time in I Sam 19:20. When Saul attacked David with a group. It is not ekklasia that I always thought before. You may have taught on this before but I missed it. Thank you!

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