23 Responses

1. Great episode this week, Joel! Reggie is a wonderfully gifted bible teacher! You can just tell his love of teaching “oozes”out of his pores as he expounds upon God’s Word! LOL

   Blessings!

2. Thank you! I look forward to hearing more! God bless you.

3. Thanks for having Reggie as a guest, Joel. I look forward to the continuation. My husband and I faithfully watch the Saturday evening “God’s Foretold Work” discussions on the YouTube channel with Reggie, et. al.

4. Reggie’s Assessment of Isaiah 63:18 reminded me of Luke 21:32 “This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.” and
   Revelation 1:7 “even those who pierced him”.

   A Preterist might argue that if we are going to take Isaiah 63:18 literal we would have to take Luke 21:32 and Rev 1:7 literal as well, placing the date of the Events in of the the Book of Revelation within that generation of time. I have struggled to find a good answer for their argument, as it seems at face value that they have a good point.

   Though I do believe historically the book of Revelation was written after 70 AD I would like to be able to rebuttal with more than just the date of the book itself, as it seems to to skirt the argument all together.

   Curious of your perspective on this Joel.

5. Preterists are inconsistent in what they demand of futurists and what they demand of themselves. It is silly to suggest that we must take things either hyper-literally or purely allegorically or metaphorically. We do not apply such silly rigid demands on everyday language, why would we do so with the Bible? Instead, we should use a rational literalism. Everyday language is a rich mixture of literalism and idiom and metaphor. If we use a rational literalism, then at least the intentions of the text are, well… reasonable. If we were to interpret most language as preterists do, we would be institutionalized for being schizophrenic. As for the expression, “this generation,” there are at least three possible ways of understanding that that are much better than the preterist perspective.

6. Joel,
   Thanks for having Reggie on. Truly a well of knowledge for sure!

   Ray,
   I was faced with the same question by someone recently & I found that Reggie wrote this article at the link below that explains it very well IMHO:

   Which Generation Shall Not Pass Away?
   http://the.mysteryofisrael.org/2008/03/10/which-generation-shall-not-pass-until-all-be-fulfilled/

   God Bless,
   Jeff

7. Thank you Joel, I so enjoyed Reggie, look forward to more teaching with him. God bless , Debbie

8. Thanks Jeff!

9. Joel, which dvd resource would you recommend for my teens as an introduction to prophecy. They know very little. Thanks.

10. Two of my favorite teachers around one table. Awesome episode. I very much enjoyed Reggie’s emphasis on the principalities and powers struggle with God and that being the driving force propelling the end times forward. Looking forward to the next episode.

    Nelson

11. The coming Battle for Jerusalem is a good start. Then Islam and the End Times.

12. God bless you Joel! I’ll continue to support and pray for you and your family’s protection. What a mighty work King Jesus is doing through you! Keep up the excellent work…and…keep on having segments with Reggie…awesome!

13. I really loved what Reggie Kelly said about making a statement to the wicked principalities and even to humanity. The reason why the Torah will go forth from Zion, is because God never got to fully bless His people, Israel and the world through them because they never lived in full obedience to His will, the very condition for the full blessing, the completely package so to speak.

    Israel and the world has never gotten to see just how immense, epic and truly spectacular life can be like when society and the world is completely in alignment with the will of God. The kingdom of Solomon gave a little glimpse of it, but the millennium is when all eyes will get to see how God intended life to be for us. And once the world and principalities see and heaven and earth pass away before the face of Him who sits on the throne, then the jots and tittles of the Torah will finally pass away – Matthew 5:18-19.

14. Totally loving your point about how amillennialists giving themselves unlimited chances with God’s grace, but saying Israel sinned one too many times and Reggie Kelly talking about Moses rejecting replacement theology. You guys were on fire! 🙂

15. I agree.
    Such a blessing to listen to teaching like this.
    I have only recently become aware of just how significant the 70ad preterist teaching is among young people in some churches.
    Very alarming as one observes that underlying some of those that I have heard, there is a distinct anti Israel slant pervading thro.

    Thank you again, and look forward to part two etc next week.

    Blessings to you and yours Joel.

16. Great to hear great teaching and expectation on the coming of the Lord and the Millennial Kingdom! Reggie’s excellent point about God ‘proving’ Himself to spiritual and human beings is an essential argument for the necessity of the pre-millennial position, which also validates Israel as a nation: Satan will get NOTHING to boast about in up-ending YHVH’s sovereignty and wisdom in all that He has purposed to do! Praise, indeed, to the LORD!

17. Thank you so much for all these enlightening and encouraging discussions. Your ministry, Joel, and that of others you share with us has changed my life. I thank God for His mercy – for what He is doing in me – and in so many throughout the earth.

18. Hi Joel,
    Appreciate your work mate. I was intrigued by the recent presentation of Cris Putnam and Tom Horn on Sky Watch TV. Their work seems to validate the Islamic AC theory, but they seem to allude to it including the Roman Western leg as well. They also make reference to the insightful teachings of Michael Heiser. Could a future Islamic AC empire include the takeover of parts of the Western leg of ancient Rome? I was curious to know if you are familiar with their work and what you think about it?

19. Have to agree with David Roberts, Reggie was on fire. I could also explain it, that he was like a shotgun . . just firing away!!! Lol. I had to laugh at Joel trying to get a statenent in edgeways. No offense, Joel. I know Reggie well and am at complete rest when he just fires away. Love it!!!

20. Joel, Hi! good discussion, I have a small thing for you/Reggie, I think rev 12, is a future fulfillment of gen 3:15. the lady is standing on what??? the moon, who is the moon GOD, the lady represents the seed of Christ. it’s Christianity, also I ask you to look at another supporting piece of evidence. take a look at a picture of “our lady of Guadalupe” (I believe it’s a further clarification of gen 3:15 & rev12) it’s been hanging in the Mexican chapel for 100’s of years unchanged. She is standing not on a full moon, it’s a black CRESCENT moon. you know who the god of the crescent moon is??? you guessed it!

21. The woman is clearly Israel. Its rooted in the story of Joseph and his brothers. A few verses later it says that after the dragon fails in devouring the woman, he goes after “her other Children” specifically those who follow the commandments of Jesus. That is obviously Christians, this the woman is not Christianity.

22. ok words have meanings, I should have provided context,
    Christianity, Christians, body of Christ words like this.
    in 3:15 GOD says I will put enmity between your seed and the seed of the woman, right??? between the seed of Lucifer the Cherub EZE28 and his fallen angels of eph 6:12 the powers and principalities, it’s the message from the evil ones versus the message of the Kingdom of GOD, which the angels did not even contemplate during the writing of Genesis, and is only revealed later after Jesus arrives on the scene thru the woman.
    and rev 12 the woman is standing on the moon and crushing it as a result of Jesus spreading of the Gospel of the kingdom of GOD.

    and most importantly having spread the seed of the message of GOD,
    that the fallen angels did not know. 2pet2,11:12 they did not know the message in Gen, but they darn sure know the message in Rev.

    the woman is given a crown with 12 stars, how could that be Israel???
    this is a person!

23. The 12 stars are the 12 sons or tribes of Israel:

    Then [Joseph] had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” (Genesis 37:9)