What must happen before we enter the final seven years before Jesus returns?

  • Cathy
    Posted at 23:23h, 14 August


    In the book of Ezra chapter 3 it tells us a couple of interesting wonderful things about temple service/ worship. After the 70 years of exile were complete Ezra and others set out to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the House of God. And once the Altar of God was ready and set on it’s base, burnt offerings to the Lord began…here are the scriptures…

    Ezr 3:1 And when the seventh month was come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered themselves together as one man to Jerusalem.
    Ezr 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
    Ezr 3:3 And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD, even burnt offerings morning and evening.
    Ezr 3:4 They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;
    Ezr 3:5 And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD.

    So there they are offering yet the very foundation of the temple has NOT YET BEEN LAID, hense,…

    Ezr 3:6 From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid.

    It’s not until the second year since their return (as I understand the scriptures) that the foundation began to be laid…

    Ezr 3:8 Now in the second year of their coming unto the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, began Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and the remnant of their brethren the priests and the Levites, and all they that were come out of the captivity unto Jerusalem; and appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to set forward the work of the house of the LORD.
    Ezr 3:9 Then stood Jeshua with his sons and his brethren, Kadmiel and his sons, the sons of Judah, together, to set forward the workmen in the house of God: the sons of Henadad, with their sons and their brethren the Levites.
    Ezr 3:10 And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel.
    Ezr 3:11 And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.

    I find it very exciting that Israel has all of the instruments ready for their new temple, including the altar, you can read about it here…


    And according to them the altar and all things can be ready in a moments notice. I also find it interesting that it is here in Ezra that Jeshua and Zerubbable are the ones who begin building, because we know the scriptures teach…

    Zec 4:9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
    Zec 4:10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

    What’s so exciting about this is that those 7 eyes are tied to the 7 eyes on the Lamb of God, this same lamb who is about to open the seals because he is found worthy…

    Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
    Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
    Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
    Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
    Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
    Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

    Joel, this is ALL connected, and signals a time, or a timing of events. It looks to me (humbly) that when the sacrifices begin on the ready to go altar, (which doesn’t require a completed temple, not even the foundation to start, but at least a BASE) Yeshua and Zerubbable will complete what they began…and at this time the seals will begin to be opened by the Lamb with the 7 eyes who is worthy to open them..!!!

    When scriptures are written in a way to tie you to other scripture language, it’s important to pay attention as to why, how, they are tied.

    How EXCITING is all this? It’s awesome to me and I hope a blessing to you all!!!

  • Cathy
    Posted at 23:56h, 14 August


    This is Part II of my previous post.

    Now that we have established a couple of things..

    A. Sacrfices began on the feast of tabernacles without a built temple, or even a foundation, but merely a BASE ready for the altar.

    B. Yeshua and Zerubbabel built that second temple beginning on the second year

    C. It’s all timed with the opening of the seals by the Lamb with 7 eyes…

    Let’s look a little further.

    In Zec chapter 4, we find that these two are tied directly to the 2 olive trees, which is also referenced in Rev of the 2 witnesses right after the measuring of the temple and ALTAR of the Lord. It’s all very beautifully sown together.

    Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
    Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
    Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

    The Spirit of the Lord will perform this!!! So we are all commanded by Jesus to WATCH!

    In Christ


  • Joel
    Posted at 00:41h, 15 August

    Hi Cathy,

    Thanks for your thoughts. A lot of people seek to come up with some scenario whereby this whole thing could pop up and take place in a matter of days. But there will be a structure such that Paul says the AC will stand in the temple. Daniel makes it clear that there will be a temple. Many have sought to diminish this reality. As I have said, it may be something simple. But there must be a structure.

  • good4u
    Posted at 01:17h, 15 August

    I’m going to have to agree with Joel here, Cathy. There will be some type of enclosure that will prompt the
    AC to declare himself ‘god’ in that will signal the mid-point of the 70th week. Now, whether this is a movable ‘tabernacle’ type or an more permanent style ‘temple’ remains to be seen, but Scripture declares it to be so. Whatever the structure is to be, all believers will understand the meaning clearly at that time even if you don’t study prophecy.


  • Cathy
    Posted at 01:28h, 15 August


    I agree whole heartily that there must be a structure and a return to sacrifices and that that false one stands where he ought naught.

    I guess my post is for those who are hard line the other way who say there MUST BE a COMPLETED temple vs those who say it can happen any second.

    Meaning we all should just be watching!

    I hope you don’t think I was saying something opposite of you Joel. Because I wasn’t in disagreement with what you said on the video, I was just pulling out some scripture to show how it was possible to not have a totally completed temple before these things begin to happen.

    In Christ


  • Joel
    Posted at 01:55h, 15 August

    Not at all. I fully agree with you Cathy.

  • Holly
    Posted at 10:10h, 15 August

    O.K. I don’t get it. Why does Israel need to rebuild a temple and make sacrifices. Jesus was and is the sacrifice. That’s not exciting…that’s blasphemy!

  • Joel
    Posted at 14:14h, 15 August

    Hi Holly,

    To help answer your question/accusation, consider answering these questions in your own heart:

    So is it blasphemy to take communion each week and remember the completed sacrifice of Christ?

    When Paul participated in the sacrifices in the Jewish Temple, (Acts 21:26) long after becoming a apostle, was this blasphemy?

    What does the Bible describe in Ezekiel 40-48?

    What age is being described in Isaiah 60? What is the altar and house spoken of in verse 7?

    Blessings to you,

  • Gary Chappelle
    Posted at 16:06h, 15 August

    Hi Joel,

    I was listening to this and as you were talking about the 3 leaders who were supplanted by the Anti-Christ, a thought popped in my head…

    Could Hussein, Gaddafi, and Al-Assad be those 3 leaders? It’s hard to argue that removing the leaders of Iraq, Libya, and possibly Syria have had a profound impact on the region and allowed for the rise of Isis and a possible Caliphate.

    Not sure how one individual (the Anti-Christ) would have been responsible for this, but maybe that’s not really what we should have expected.

    Just thinking out loud…

  • John McDonnell
    Posted at 16:56h, 15 August

    Those who assume that Ezekiel 40-48 must be fulfilled as written have somehow overlooked 43:10-11. There is a big “if” in verse 11. Only if the house of Israel would “be ashamed of all that they have done” would the proposal presented in Ezekiel 40-48 be revealed in all of its details. Since we only have the summary of the proposal, and nothing ever came of it, we can assume that the house of Israel was not ashamed of all that they had done. This means that Ezekiel 40-48 is an historical appendix to the book of Ezekiel, something that should be preserved in the scriptures, but after the sacrifice of Christ cannot be instituted (Hebrews 10:10-18). In other words, God would have approved of its institution back then, but would not approve of it now.

  • wilbur a cameron
    Posted at 18:20h, 15 August

    Hello Brother Joel, Love you in CHRIST brother, praying all is well with your Family and yourself. Kristy and I are well and blessed. We love your Faithful work for YESHUA. I wanted to ask you of your understanding of Daniel CH. 7:11-13 Daniel saw the Ishmaelite destroyed in 11, but Turkey {magog and some of there Arab states evidently were left standing] for a time and a season. it seem that they will become the servants to serve Israel in the millennium reign and to rise up again against GOD and his children at the end of the millennium reign Rev. CH.20:7-9. do you see it this way also. Thank you for all you do. Wilbur

  • Holly
    Posted at 18:27h, 15 August

    Its not an accusation. Like I said, I don’t get it. Since Jesus was the sacrifice and even the Israelities need to believe in Jesus in order to be saved, then why does a temple need to be rebuilt and why do animals need to be sacrificed. That is like saying Jesus’ sacrifice is not good enough.

  • Joel
    Posted at 19:11h, 15 August

    Hi Holly,

    Your statement, “this is blasphemy!” is just coming at the reality of a future temple with some false assumptions. First, we have to recognize that here were many reasons for the sacrifices. Not every sacrifice was for forgiveness of sin. Second, the Scriptures are clear that animal sacrifices never forgave sins. Forgiveness has always been through Messiah. Both before and after his sacrifice. Yes, there are some difficult issues that this brings up, but in no way is the futurity of sacrifices blasphemous in any way. Nevertheless, I do hope some of the questions I posed, showing for example that Paul participated in the Temple services, that there will be a Temple during Jesus millennial reign, show that this is reality that we need to wrestle with.


  • Joel
    Posted at 19:15h, 15 August


    With all due respect, this is among the most silly suggestions I have heard explaining Ezekiel 40-48. It is 9 chapters of could have, only if? …An addendum tacked on? …

    Ezekiel 40-48 is simply a parallel description the future millennial kingdom as is found throughout the prophets, and which continued to be proclaimed by Jesus throughout his ministry. Israel indeed will repent, as is graphically described in the closing of Ezekiel 39, as well as Zechariah 12 and Romans 11.

  • David Hilty
    Posted at 19:33h, 15 August

    Did something happen to the article? I can see the comments but the article section is blank on both my phone and tablet.

  • good4u
    Posted at 20:19h, 15 August

    I have to jump in here again because I just did an extensive study at the Lord’s prompting on this subject of the third and fourth temples. For me, it was the next level in the study of prophetic prophecy and what an awe-inspiriing study on those temples it was! There will be a tribulation temple and a Messianic temple in the future, Scripture declares this to be so and therefore, expect it. But the Messianic temple will be far different in scope and meaning that we are use to in our understanding of prior Jewish temples. Many things will change and there will indeed be sacrifices made daily before the LORD in His Temple. Please get use to this idea and on first blush, it seems to offend both Christians and Jews, but for different reasons.

    The PP presentation I have put together explains many aspects of these two temples and it was a wonderful adventure for me. The models out there to help the researcher on this subject is limited, but valuable on this little known subject and therefore, never taught within the Church which is why there is so much misunderstanding on this subject.


  • Joel
    Posted at 22:24h, 15 August

    Still here. Its just an audio file.

  • Sam
    Posted at 01:07h, 16 August

    It’s interesting that the Temple Institute in Jerusalem has completed construction of a modular altar, ready for sacrifices, that they could implement on short notice on Temple Mount, and that they performed a full “practice run” of Temple sacrifice this last Passover.

    I believe we are about to hear in full force the US, the UN, the EU push for division of Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria….maybe by the end of September when the Pope visits Obama, the Congress, and the UN, especially since the Vatican recently recognized Palestine. I will be very interested to see if Israel extracts an agreement that allows them to worship on Temple Mount as the price for going along with the World.

  • Joel
    Posted at 01:22h, 16 August


    Not going to happen.

  • John McDonnell
    Posted at 02:02h, 16 August


    In one of your replies to the concerns of Holly, you wrote: “Not every sacrifice was for forgiveness of sin.” While that statement is correct, in Ezekiel 40-48, “sin offering” is mentioned 14 times. Hebrews 10:10-18 ends with this: “there is no more offering for sin.” So either the argument of Hebrews 10:10-18 will be abrogated by the animal sacrifices mentioned in Ezekiel 40-48, or Ezekiel 40-48 was proposed to the house of Israel in Ezekiel’s day, and rejected by them. If that was the case, which to me is self-evident, since the proposal came to nothing, then Ezekiel 40-48 is indeed an historical appendix to the book. Nevertheless, portions of it are prophetic of the millennial kingdom of Christ, who “after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God” (Hebrews 10:12).

  • Joel
    Posted at 02:32h, 16 August


    While there are some difficult challenges in fully understanding the nature of these future sacrifices, as I said, the notion that we have nine chapters that merely describe a potential future that would simply never be is… just plain absurd. Your choice of taking these chapters literally or taking them as you have suggested as being the only two options is itself a false premise. Others have suggested that it is all metaphorical. (Which I would suggest, and I think you would agree, is equally absurd).

    But ultimately, tearing out these nine chapters from your Bible will not resolve your problem. For it is not merely Ezekiel who mentions the ongoing nature of animal sacrifice in the millennium, but so also does Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, and Micah mention these things (cf. Isaiah 19:21; 56:7; 60:7; 66:20-23; Jer. 33:18; Zech. 14; Mal. 3:3-4).

    Christ did indeed fulfill the perfect righteousness required by the Mosaic Covenant, (which is specifically what Hebrews 10:1-18 is referencing). But you are functioning from the assumption that the Temple during the millennium will be sacrifices according to the Mosaic law. They clearly are not. Yet they are blessed and commended.

    You also skipped over the important matter that sacrifices have never provided cleansing of sin. Hebrews 10:4 says, “it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” And within this broad category of “sin offerings” are sacrifices for ritual cleanness, which are in fact the majority of Levitical sacrifices.

    Because of God’s eternal and unchanging promises to dwell on earth among His people, during the millennium (as is clearly part and parcel of the New Covenant), the cleansing rituals will be an ongoing part of life during that age, when a yet unglorified, sinful host of men and woman will still dwell on the earth. Mind you, this is all temporary, as during the eternal state, there will be no Temple.

    In the end, I would simply encourage you to reconsider your position. Even if we do not have absolute clarity as to the why, the Scriptures are none the less rather clear on these matters.


  • Peter
    Posted at 04:54h, 16 August

    David, it’s not showing on your phone or tablet because it runs on Flash, which isn’t supported on Apple mobile devices and perhaps others as well.

  • Peter
    Posted at 05:19h, 16 August

    John and Holly,

    To help you understand this issue a bit more, consider the Jewish context that Jesus and the apostles lived in. If Jesus dying on the cross meant that sacrifices were now blasphemy, Jesus and the apostles did a really bad job of communicating that to the first believers. As Joel mentioned, Paul continued to participate in temple worship, as did the other apostles. They saw no conflict. I would argue the same is true of their practice in following Torah.

    Why do we see such a conflict here? Well, we have 2000 years of church history which has tried very hard to remove every vestige of Jewish worship from Christian practice. We have basically been taught that continuing to follow Torah (if you are a Jew) is living under the law, and thoughts of partaking in sacrifices (if the temple still stood) would also be seen by most Christians as heresy. But the truth is that most of us have a very poor understanding of Jewish worship and practice, and we have presuppositions that we read into the text.

    Hebrews 8:13 is interesting because it talks about the old covenant that will soon vanish. This theme is carried along into chapter 10. Again, our Christian presupposition is that this fading away took place in the destruction of the temple (although many probably think it was even sooner). However, the Jewish readers of Hebrews would have understood this as saying that the “fading away” was this present age, not something that was done because of Christ’s sacrifice for sin. Plus, if that was the case, why would it “fade away”? Wouldn’t Jesus have told the apostles to stop the sacrifices immediately? Did the apostles want believers to stop performing acts of blasphemy gradually?

    The truth is that Christians really don’t understand the OT sacrificial system very well. They just think it was yucky and gross and now that we have Jesus, we should be so glad we don’t have to do it anymore because it was such a bother. The fact is that participating in sacrifices was joyous worship for Jews, and we have no evidence it wasn’t the same for the first Jewish believers. If anything, we have evidence they were extremely involved in temple worship, with no protest about the sacrifices.

    I’d recommend the booklet “What about the sacrifices?” by Dr. Thomas Lancaster, available from First Fruits of Zion. Here’s a link: http://ffoz.com/what-about-the-sacrifices-book.html. It will help you understand the sacrificial system better, and why its practice for Messianic Jews in the first century posed no problems, as we see in the lives of the apostles.

  • John McDonnell
    Posted at 12:26h, 16 August


    Your proofs are from the Old Testament. If animal sacrifices are to be a part of the millennial kingdom, the New Testament should confirm that to be true. God is not the author of confusion. Hebrews 10:10-18 says what it says. Although Revelation 11:1-2 mentions an altar, it does not mention animal sacrifices. Although II Thessalonians 2:4 mentions the Antichrist sitting in the temple of God, it does not mention animal sacrifices.

    In your ground-breaking book The Islamic Antichrist, you wrote, beginning on page 97: “Christians understand that while God indeed inspired the authors of Scripture to convey His thoughts and words, each individual author brought to the Scriptures his own style and personality. God used the human agents as His vessels, but He did not override them.” In Christianity we use the terms “altar” and “offerings” without any reference to animal sacrifices.

    When I read Isaiah 60:7, I imagine Muslims coming to Christ and becoming ministers of the gospel. When I read Malachi 3:3-4, I imagine Jews coming to Christ and becoming ministers of the gospel. Of the three monotheistic religions, only Islam now practices animal sacrifice, while denying that Jesus was ever crucified. Jewish animal sacrifices looked forward to one great and final sacrifice by Christ to atone for sins. When that which is perfect has come, that which is in part is done away with.

  • Joel
    Posted at 14:25h, 16 August


    The Old Testament is no less Scripture and authoritative than the New Testament. This was all they had in the early Church. This was the Bible of Jesus and the Apostles. The New Testament do not over-rule or abrogate the Old. They validate, expand upon and explain them.

    That said, Paul said:

    Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. —2 Thessalonians 2:4

    There is nothing to suggest this as spiritual or metaphorical. Every time naos (The Temple Building) is used metaphorically in the New Testament, it clearly says so in the text. There is zero indicator that Paul is speaking metaphorically here. No, rather he is simply referencing previous revelation as it was made to Daniel:

    (The Antichrist/little horn) even magnified itself to be equal with the Commander of the host (God); and it removed the regular sacrifice from Him, and the place of His sanctuary was thrown down. And on account of transgression the host will be given over to the horn along with the regular sacrifice; and it will fling truth to the ground and perform its will and prosper.” —Daniel 8:11-12

    Notice that Paul quotes a portion of this next parallel passage almost verbatim:

    “Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation … the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. —Daniel 11:31, 36

    the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. —2 Thessalonians 2:4

    Jesus quotes Daniel and applies it in a very literal, even geographic sense, to the region of literal Jerusalem:

    “Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. … For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. —Matthew 24:15-21

    So as to the Scriptural teaching that there will be a last days temple, this much is crystal clear. And beyond this, God repeatedly refers to it as “His Temple.” One cannot defile and abominate something that is not viewed as sacred and holy.

    As for the millennial temple, which is a different entity altogether, the language of the Old Testament regarding these matters is clear. Its nice that you read words like “daily offering” or “sacrifice,” or “altar,” or “sanctuary” and “imagine” these as being metaphorical, but the text does not leave room for a metaphorical understanding. Nor did Jesus or the Apostles understand them this way. Once you go down this road, and embrace this flawed hermeneutic, then consistency requires you to go the whole way, and like the replacement theologians, claim that every occasion where Israel is used, it really means you and me, and not the Jewish people. That every occasion where it speaks of a literal restored Israel, it is metaphorically speaking of a heavenly destiny, etc. This approach to interpretation has not only led a clear perversion of the actual good news, but perhaps even more damning, to nearly 2000 years of Christian abuse of the Jewish people.

    Again, I would strongly encourage you to reconsider your position.


  • John McDonnell
    Posted at 17:09h, 16 August

    I have read your excellent book When a Jew Rules the World and agree with its conclusions. I don’t need to be accused of engaging in replacement theology. Hebrews 10:10-18 says what it says. Revelation 11:1-2 and II Thessalonians 2:4 do not actually mention animal sacrifices, though you seem to wish that they did. If it is contrary to God’s will, after the sacrifice of His Son, that animal sacrifices should be reinstituted, perhaps my suggestion that Ezekiel 40-48 is an historical appendix will ultimately found to be correct. As for Isaiah 60:7. Which stirs a Christian soul more, the prospect of Muslims coming to Christ and becoming ministers of Him, or the prospect of Muslim nations only providing animals for sacrifice? Should enthusiam for human redemption be dismissed as metaphorical nonsense, while enthusiam for bloody killing of innocent animals be praised as theologically sound (though it always be something for others than themselves to engage in)?

  • Joel
    Posted at 17:29h, 16 August


    I did not accuse you of holding to replacement theology. I simply pointed out that you’re mirroring their hermeneutic precisely. And again, by rooting your case in an argument from silence, while ignoring the very passages which Paul is citing is an entirely fallacious argument. Both Jesus and Paul directly quote Daniel. Daniel clearly and repeatedly refers to the ceasing of offerings and desolation of a temple four times. Hebrews indeed says what it says. But when you have one verse that appears to be in such direct conflict with many other very clear passages, then its time to reconsider your assumptions and understanding of that verse. But ignoring or seeking to allegorize into meaninglessness, the wealth of others passages simply does not work.

    Be blessed,

  • John McDonnell
    Posted at 18:56h, 16 August

    Ah! But there has to be a reason why Jesus and Paul referred to scriptures mentioning animal sacrifices without actually mentioning those sacrifices. This is not an argument from silence. It is an argument for the reason behind their silence. Sherlock Holmes referred to the curious incident of the dog in the night-time, and it turned out that there was a reason for the dog’s silence (see “The Adventure of Silver Blaze”). Jesus knew beforehand the full nature of the atonement he would complete, and Paul would afterward come to understand it. Hebrews 10:10-18 tells us the reason why Paul quoted a prophecy mentioning animal sacrifice without mentioning those sacrifices. As for Jesus, His atonement is the only means of salvation we have. So it is understandable that He referred to a prophecy mentioning animal sacrifices without mentioning those sacrifices. Holly understands the only means of salvation, and I pray that she holds fast to that understanding.

  • Joel
    Posted at 19:01h, 16 August


    Now you are just grasping at straws and truly making silly arguments. In referring to the Abomination of Desolation, Jesus actually said, “as was spoken of by the prophet Daniel… let the reader understand.” He was making no argument from silence. To the contrary. It is was a common 1st century Jewish practice to quote only a portion of a text, with the assumption that the Scripturally-literate hearers actually knew the remainder of the text. Sadly this is too often no longer the case, as most Christians are rather Old Testament illiterate.

    Consider for example the case when Jesus was on the cross and said, Eloi Eloi lama-Sabacthani (My God, my God, what hast thou forsaken me?). He was quoting the opening sentence of Psalm 22. Using your logic, we must assume that Jesus did not know the answer to why He was suffering. He actually though He was being forsaken. He was shocked and confused. Muslim apologists and others who seek to diminish the divinity of Jesus make this claim.
    But all these suggestions are silly. Jesus expected his disciples to know the remainder of the Psalm he was quoting which contained a profound prophecy of his own suffering. Here is a good article on this subject:


    As for Paul, he actually engaged in sacrifices for goodness sake (Acts 21:26).

    Finally, no one here is arguing about the nature of salvation. Salvation is through the work of Christ alone. By suggesting that I am suggesting otherwise, you have now crossed from being argumentative to being dishonest.

    I have taken enough time to explain this to you. Your failure to concede at this point is not for a lack of clear Scriptural evidence or sound reasons.

  • good4u
    Posted at 19:38h, 16 August

    Wow! Just reading the rest of this thread after my last post on the third and fourth temples and my own personal examination just proves my point about how much misunderstanding there is regarding what is to transpire within these temples within the Church! Part of it is due to the lack of knowledge and Jewish understanding of what it means to the Jews at that time and how Messiah Jesus will change the program for both Christians and Jews at His return as He constructs the Messianic Temple Plaza Complex. It will be the highest and largest structure in His kingdom.

    Joel, the amount of subject matter for future books is sorely lacking here within the Church body. Had I not done my own research and agree wholeheartedly with your comments, I too would have come to a different conclusion. It may be too far in the distant future for your average Christian to think about, but for the die-hard prophecy geeks like me, it was a fantastic adventure to peek into God’s plans for his Son-King!


  • Joel
    Posted at 19:44h, 16 August

    Amen good4U.

  • Cathy
    Posted at 20:50h, 16 August

    An attempt at humor…

    …and the haters keep on hate hate haten
    …and the fakers keep on fake fake faken
    …and the BAITERS keep on bait bait baiten

    but I say…shake it off, shake it off…

  • Joel
    Posted at 21:14h, 16 August

    …and the scoffers gonna scoff. Saying where is this coming?

  • Cathy
    Posted at 21:41h, 16 August


  • Michael
    Posted at 00:12h, 18 August

    Joel, great radio interview. Sorry to see Christian’s arguing in comments however politely. Some have not had the veil pulled back just yet. Peter’s comments above stated it very well I thought.

    My comment was about the radio program. I agree with you Joel about so many people getting overly excited about this coming Sept or the end of the Shemitah and the blood moons. Just as they did in 1998 as you mentioned on the radio, Joel. While these things are interesting observations, I think (I hope) most Christians will take the wait and see approach and not “count” on something happening that may not and be let down. I am addressing my own self in regards to this phenomenon. It is easy to get caught up in the excitement. I love Jonathan Cahn’s enthusiasm, and he himself warns nothing has to happen. We must keep watch. Be ready. Be prepared. Mostly, we Christians need to get right with Jesus. Cleanse our temple. I do believe the church is asleep, like Peter the night of Christ betrayal. We the church have forgotten our first love. I am hoping if we do receive a great shaking, a revival will happen in this country, myself included. We need to pray for revival. I include myself as I have been away from God for many years but came back stronger a couple of years ago. My anger towards Muslims (9/11) lifted thanks to Joel’s ministry.

    I think Joel is correct as well as many other teachers. Many things must take place before the tribulations. I do think we are close. Pray, read, learn, and watch. Keep your hope in Him and not on some teacher’s well thought out ideas. Those living close to Jesus will have no problem seeing the times we are living in and recognizing events as they take place.

    Bless everyone in the comment sections and all who may read everyone’s comments.

  • Suzanne Buczkowski
    Posted at 01:10h, 18 August

    Thank-you Joel. I appreciate you. I never would have guessed that was a chicken coop.

    Suzanne Buczkowski

  • Joel
    Posted at 01:43h, 18 August

    Former chicken coop.

  • jean dean
    Posted at 04:55h, 19 August

    Wow, reading through the comments this time made me dizzy!!! 🙂 lol. Even though I’m a little late in adding my “2-cents” worth, I feel led to, hope you don’t mind.

    What kept coming to mind for me as I was reading, is all the way back in Genesis when sacrifices of first fruits were being made to God, the King of the Universe! They were made to Him because He was the King … seated on the Heavenly Throne! It was a required observation of worship toward Him. An offering of their first fruits.

    Then my mind remembered the different times in the Bible when an appearance of the Lord would take place, i.e., the Three who visited Abraham & Sarah, and how Abraham ran around gathering food for them to eat, and how he chose the VERY BEST meat to “sacrifice” for them … knowing, that One of the three was the Lord Himself.

    And, lastly, so this won’t go on and on, our Lord Yeshua (Jesus) presented HIMSELF to His/our Father, the Judge/King, on His Heavenly Throne, at the time of His Resurrection, as the First Fruit offering of the Sacrificial Lamb of God … Whose Blood now remains ever before the Father, (as promised) to atone for our sins, etc..

    Nowhere does it say that we do NOT stop making sacrifices unto the Lord, Who is King of kings, and Lord of lords. We bring our first and best offering unto Him. Our lives, period!

    When our Lord comes again, this time He will set up His Throne here on Earth, just as it is in Heaven. Sacrifices are going to be made, you better believe it. We will bring our first and our best to Him, and that includes animals. We will worship Him, just as the King/God was worshipped from the beginning, and will be forevermore!

    Sorry this is long, but, it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    Blessings always, jd

  • Marc
    Posted at 16:22h, 19 August

    Hi Joel
    I have something to share. It is a tool that might can be used when witnessing to Muslims. In fact anyone can use it. You or some others may have already heard or seen it in the Quran.
    A Muslim man name Mario Joseph said a person from a crowd ask him who jesus was and he always taught a believed Jesus as just a Prophet and god had no son he never married, but he was curious and goes and studys the Quran and found 25 references to Jesus and only 4 for Muhammad. He found in the quran chapter 3 verse 45-55 he found jesus the word of God, the spirit of God and Jesus christ. He said he was confused why Quran gives more reference to Jesus than Muhammad. He went to his Arabic teacher of 10 years and ask him how did God create the Universe? His teacher told him God created everything through the word, so he said is the word (Jesus) creator or creation? If he had said creator then Mario said all the Muslim must become Christian. Marios teacher ran him out angrily because he coukd not answer his question.
    I feel that this is something that can be used just to get all Muslims thinking.
    I have been seeing testimony after testimony of things happening in the middle east. Even a lot of muslims talking about seeing the man in white that came to them..
    Some really amazing stuff happening right now, even a article saying what id happening right now in the middle east the past few years according to record has never happen before on this large of scale..
    To this day the father still working and so is his son. John 5:17

    Thanks Joel for all the work u and our Lord is doing

  • yves peloquin
    Posted at 00:23h, 20 August

    Hi Joel,

    do you have a regular email address that I could use to write to you.


    Yves P.

  • maria
    Posted at 12:07h, 21 August

    I can`t watch the video of this post. Tried it on 3 different devices and it would not work on any of them.

  • Sandra
    Posted at 08:14h, 24 August

    It is a radio programm. It starts from 8.40, you can actually skip what’s before that.

  • Kristoffer Dizon
    Posted at 17:56h, 27 August

    Hi Joel,

    First off I just wanna say that you’ve been such a blessing to me personally both you and Walid Shoebat in terms of helping me open my eyes in seeing the biblical concept of the end times vs the traditional popular views of the antichrist coming from the EU etc. For the first time I actually see things from a proper biblical perspective and I have you to thank for that. My question is in regards to the death of antichrist. I know that in 2 Thess 2:8, Paul says that Jesus kills antichrist at his return. In Ezekiel 28 it also says that the AC is killed by the most powerful of the nations, along with Micah 5 with the 7 shepherds. My question is does Christ kill AC personally or through military might? Thx Joel.

    Bro Earl

  • Lynne
    Posted at 08:36h, 09 August

    I am very interested in catching this session, but i cannot play it as it indicates “the plug in is not supported.” Could you please find a way to make it available?

    Very much appreciated, as is all you do.

  • Richard Chandler
    Posted at 01:36h, 24 September

    Hello Joel,

    “I do firmly believe there will be sacrifices in the millennium, but I believe as the previous sacrifices looked to the Messiah, these will look back at the Messiah. In a sense more as a thanksgiving offering to the LORD. I don’t claim to be anything in the body of CHRIST, I’m definitely not a five fold minister, as you are, or sent to teach anyone.
    I don’t have all the answers, but I did pray and seek GOD on the matter diligently. One day while praying, I perceive that I received understanding from the HOLY SPIRIT. I don’t know, but this is what came to me. Once again, I don’t claim the HOLY SPIRIT told me, but according to the testimony of scriptures, “the sum of thy WORD is truth.”
    Psalms 22: “24For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Neither hath he hid his face from him; But when he cried unto him, he heard.
    25Of thee cometh my praise in the great assembly: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
    26The meek shall eat and be satisfied; They shall praise Jehovah that seek after him: Let your heart live for ever.
    27All the ends of the earth shall remember( IN THE MILLENIUM) and return( THE HEBREW RENDERS RETURN AND TURN/ ANNUALLY THE SACRIFICE OF MESSIAH) unto Jehovah; And all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee (This only happens in the millennial reign).
    28For the kingdom is Jehovah’s; And he is the ruler over the nations.
    29All the fat ones of the earth shall eat and worship: All they that go down to the dust shall bow before him, Even he that cannot keep his soul alive.
    30A seed shall serve him; It shall be told of the Lord unto the next generation.
    31They shall come and shall declare his righteousness(BY REMEMBERING AND SACRIFICING YEARLY, DAILY) Unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done it.

    Psalms 22 is an amazing prophecy, because it has not yet had its full fulfilment. The first 3/4 reveals the sacrifice of the Messiah, which is why HE quoted it on the cross. The last part is yet remaining till the millennium for fulfilment. They will come and declare HIS righteousness to a people, peoples that shall be born through the millennial reign by the temple sacrifices. GOD told His people to remember the deliverance and the Exodus every year. Likewise, the people will remember and return yearly to Jerusalem, and the millennial population will remember the eternal covenant cut in the blood of Messiah, learning by object lesson in the temple daily.

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