• David Baird
    Posted at 11:23h, 03 August

    Great stuff Joel, heard you preach on Daniel a bit, really practical, solid stuff.

    Just reading through when a Jew rules the world at the min… about half way through..

    As a young man (21 years old) who loves God and loves the bible, its been really good having strong spiritual individuals such as yourself guiding me with biblical truths, forming my Christian view. So many young Christians these days love the spiritual side of the old testament ( as well as N.T) prophesy’s but do not consider them literal, which can lead to Replacement theology as well as Anti- Israel, anti-jew views, as well as watered down boring theology.

    Love the bit in the book where you talk about your teenage years and the drug abuse, really honest. I myself had a troubled teenage period, although ive grown up in a Christian home.

    Keep striving for Glory Joel

    PS. Come to Australia one day, would love to see you.

  • Joel
    Posted at 12:24h, 03 August

    Hi David,

    Thanks for the encouragement. It means a lot to me. You keep pushing forward as well.

    Bless you!

  • Joel
    Posted at 17:48h, 03 August


    The reason I believe that the fourth kingdom will crush the other three is because the text specifically says of this fourth kingdom that, “it will crush all the others.” So I simply accept what the text says. We must not seek to make it fit our preconceived ideas. No where in the text does it says we are dealing with a succession of world empires.

    So you are saying that everything has already been restored? What Scriptures do you see that teach this?

    Does not Romans tell us that all of creation is yet groaning and waiting for the resurrection and future restoration and liberation of that very same creation? Does Jesus not speak of a future regeneration, after He returns (Matthew 9:28). Did not the disciples expect this restoration of all things to include the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel? (Acts 1:10) Indeed they did. Jesus informed them that it was not yet the time.

    I hope this has helped. Forgive my brevity.


  • Mary
    Posted at 17:52h, 03 August

    Hi Joel,
    I was very happy to come back to your website and find “The Underground” as there is never enough time when you are on shows to feature all your messages. Great job.

    Hearing your message previously on Daniel 2 got me to rethink what I’d learned as it meshed with the world news of today. I actually have two thoughts on the mass exodus into Europe (lesser right now into America) from Africa and the Muslin countries – one it could be God’s way of saving a remnant as the possibility of Nuclear war is imminent and two while at the same time, especially for the Muslim’s, it’s Satan’s plan to rule the entire world via Islam.

    What I was wondering – do you see the One World Order represented as the clay toes that are mixed with iron, namely Islam?

    This would go along with a future aspect that the toes situation hasn’t yet been developed.From the things I’ve read, I don’t think there is anyway in the world Islam will go along with the New World Order.

    Appreciate your thoughts.

  • Joel
    Posted at 17:54h, 03 August

    No, I do not see it as such.

  • Joel
    Posted at 19:53h, 03 August


    Actually I use the NASB. But most translations have similar language. Obviously the rock did not hit the feet of Rome as it says that kingdom will be destroyed suddenly and absolutely. Rome fizzled out over a 1000 years. Thus we await that time in the future.

    No where in the prophets does it say that Israel will be restored and have dominance over the Gentiles until after Jesus returns. No where.


  • Bo
    Posted at 21:50h, 03 August

    Another great episode Joel! Really enjoy the programs. Always look forward to each new episode. Keep up the good work. You are blessing my brother!

  • Joel
    Posted at 21:56h, 03 August

    Thanks Bo!

  • Herman
    Posted at 10:47h, 04 August

    Hi Joel,

    I really like the underground episodes!
    I’m spreading thise message around in my church and to everyone who’s listening.
    Wen I was just a little boy (10 years old). I was really struggle with things like what if there’s no God and my parents had it wrong.. A struggling what 10 years old boy shouldn’t have. And then I had a dream. I was on a bus and after a while the bus stopped. Every person in the bus was looking what happened outside the bus and in the sky. I man came near me and said something I didn understand. The next morning i could not lose this dream and I was constantly thinking about what the man said to me.
    The next night I dreamd exactly the same dream. But now i understand what the man said. He said: watch for the signs of the time.
    I was confused. A Sunday later there was another preacher than usually in my church and he talked about the great things were waiting for as an Christian. He ended with: watch for the signs of the time. I cried and from that moment there was nog more struggling. And from that moment I studied al the bible verses and documentarys about the end time and there is still A lot to learn and study. It’s the hope of the Gospel that Jesus will return and make all thinks right!

    Your documentary the end times eyewitness and your books changed already a lot of people’s thoughts in my church!

    God bless you!

    Greeting from the Netherlands (Holland)

    The best is yet to come!

  • Joel
    Posted at 10:51h, 04 August

    Thank you for the encouragement Herman. May the Lord greatly bless you!

  • Jeanne T.
    Posted at 15:02h, 04 August

    Very good, factual explanation. You are right, Joel, Islam destroys, “crushes”, everything. For example, they burned the classical libraries (Bill Warner points out that the Islamic conquerers destroyed classical civilization in this manner), and more recently we have seen ISIS destroying historical artifacts and sites in various places. Islam completely wipes out a culture’s past and rebuilds nothing of value. This is what Satan does. Your point about the lack of infrastructure building in Islamic conquests, contrasted with the Romans, is also particularly noteworthy.

    Many thanks for your excellent work, Joel. I am truly grateful.


  • MariaAngelova
    Posted at 19:55h, 04 August

    Hi Joel,
    Today I watched you teach on Daniel 2 at the Prophecy Summit NW – The Final Hour. Your message was an eye opener for me. As so many other christians, I`ve also been taught that the 4th kingdom was Rome. A while ago I read a small study suggesting that the antichrist will come out of the Middle East and not out of Europe and they also compared the characteristics of the mahdi to the antichrist and I was totally blown away by the similarities. All of that makes so much more sense than the teaching that the 4th kingdom was Rome and that the antichrist is probably the pope. I`m so happy that there are those men of God, like yourself, who are setting things straight – America and western world are not in the center of it all.
    I was born and raised in Bulgaria (Eastern Europe) but have been living in The Netherlands for the last 17 years. God called me out of the darkness into His glorious light right after the fall of communism – 1991. Back in those days all evangelical churches were persecuted by the authorities, backed up by the official church in Bulgaria – The Orthodox Church (in Bulgaria that`s Greek Orthodox). Personally I was even persecuted by my own family. But those were glorious days!!! We use to call it the “pop corn effect days” – when a corn seed is put under the pressure of heat, it pops and it becomes 3 times it`s original size and so much more beautiful than the seed it was.
    In your message you talk a little about the Ottoman empire. My people were under turkish slavery for the the full 500 years. The turks did unthinkable things to our forefathers. They did everything to crush us as nation, language and destroy christianity in Bulgaria. They wiped out our entire royal line. They use to present people with 2 choices – accept islam or die. And even till today the story of the suffering of our people is being passed from one generation to an other but also how if it was not for our christian identity that we would have never survived as a nation. But they did convert a lot of Bulgarians to islam. That`s why today we have Bulgarian turks, as we call them, they ar muslim. They have their political party and have become very big and powerful in the last 10-15 years. They even kind of tried take over the government a while ago. Every time I speak to my father on the phone he almost cries saying – those muslims are getting so much power in our country. There isn`t a village, a town or a city without a mosque these days. Our brave forefathers who gave up their lives to fight the turks must be turning in their graves, he says. Many years ago a Bulgarian pastor once said – Bulgaria & Greece are the last strongholds of christianity, after that is all muslim countries (Bulgaria & Greece border with Turkey). It`s heartbreaking but it looks like the spirit of islam is spreading it`s cancer cells in Bulgaria more and more.

    Joel, I have two questions. First question: All those who say that the antichrist will come out the former roman empire often base it on Dan. 9:26 – “And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” And than they refer to the destruction of Jerusalem by the romans lead by Titus in 70 AD. What are your thoughts on this one?

    Second question: What are your thoughts on the Psalm 83 or as it`s also called The Middle East War?

    Many blessings for you and your family!

  • Joel
    Posted at 20:50h, 04 August


    Regarding Dan. 9:26, I personally believe it is speaking about the Antichrist and not 70 A.D. The vision concerns 70 weeks. 70 A.D. was nearly 40 years outside of that 70 week window. That said, even if it is referring to 70 A.D., the word in Hebrew for “people” is “am.” This is an ethnic denotation. Now, if you said that you were attacked by Americans, what does this tell me about their ethnicity?

    My point is that the Roman Empire consisted of numerous ethnic peoples. And by 70 A.D., the majority of the Roman armies were made up of provincials. These were eastern peoples, a mixture of those who had become known as Syrians and many Arabs. The actual European soldiers made up a small fraction of the armies. I write about this is Mideast Beast.

    I do not agree with the Psalm 83 War theory as espoused by Bill Salus. I feel as though he misinterprets some of the peoples, tribes, etc., in the Psalms. I also feel as though he applies numerous passages that pertain to the Day of the Lord/time of the return of Jesus and tries to apply them to several years before the return of Jesus.

    I hope this has helped.


  • MariaAngelova
    Posted at 07:54h, 05 August

    Dear Joel,
    Thank you very much for taking time to reply, considering your busy schedule.
    Regarding Daniel 9, I know that is the prophesy of the 70 weeks. That`s actually the reason why Daniel sought the Lord in prayer and re-reading what the Lord had spoken through Jeremiah the prophet – that the desolation of Jerusalem would last 70 years. I also know that the biggest part of the prophesy has been fulfilled already. But your answer to my question is yet an other confirmation of what a huge difference it makes when you read the Scripture in the original language and how much we are robbed off by poor translation. But I will for sure look up your article about the Mideast Beast, thank you for suggesting.

    Concerning the Psalm 83 War, what I understand you are saying is that it`s again a misinterpretation.
    But is it still a war that is to come? Or is not a specific war at all? Have you ever done a study on that one?

    You know Joel, I`ve been the perfect example of the lukewarm christian for the last 7 years. But something happened this year….the shootings/killings in Paris at the beginning of this year kind of trigged an alarm in my spirit. Ever since that day I feel an undeniable and irresistible urge to study the scripture and see what God has said about times as these. But I`ve came across so many contradictory interpretations and teachings that at times I get so confused and don`t know who and what to believe anymore. I knew that christians are divided because of different understandings of scripture and everybody has formed their own little club but when it comes to eschatology….oh wow! This is when it gets really bad and very confusing. For example, I still haven`t found a very clear answer about when is the rapture going to take place.
    But I have found my comfort and solid ground in 1 John2:27.

    Again, thank you for taking the time to reply.


  • Joel
    Posted at 10:19h, 05 August

    There is no specific mention in the Psalm of any specific war. It is primarily a prayer to destroy those nations that seek to destroy Israel. If anyone says it must be a war, they are reading much more into the actual Psalm than it says.

  • Taryn
    Posted at 16:28h, 05 August

    Nothin’ but net, Joel!

  • Rachel
    Posted at 21:00h, 06 August


    Have you ever noticed that Daniel reversed the normal “formula” order of dream interpretation when he interpreted the Gold Head? The “formula” order is: symbol “represents” interpretation. Instead of following the usual order and saying, “The Head of Gold is Nebuchadnezzar,” Daniel reversed the order and said, “Nebuchadnezzar is the Head of Gold.”

    P.S.G. Watson in his book, Prophetic Interpretations, explains the significance of this order reversal. The end result is that Daniel does not tell us what the Gold Headrepresents; rather, he metaphorically says that Nebuchadnezzar resembles the Head of Gold.

    I think understanding this important detail has been overlooked. Since Nebuchadnezzar is dead and gone—but the Head will be destroyed, with the entire statue at the same time—we must look for a future Head that will resemble old Neb.

    Thank you Joel for being one of the few who stick to the text.


  • Tony Pate
    Posted at 21:15h, 06 August

    Joel, I would like to thank you for sharing work. I’ve found no one else that interprets Daniel similar to the way I do. I recently watched a video on YouTube where you explained Daniel 8 from Kurdistan. Alexander the great cannot possibly be the fulfillment for the many reasons you discussed as well as the 2300 days to reconsecrate the temple. Josephus wrote that the temple was reconsecrated three years and six months after Antiochus defiled it. 1040 day difference. 80% fulfillment is the same as 0% in my opinion. Close might count in horseshoes but has no place in prophecy.

    I know this is a bit off topic but you did mention the beasts of Daniel 7 in this video. You may have mentioned that the lion is Babylon, bear is Medo-Persia, etc. Virtually 100% of scholars agree with this. But I have a problem fitting verse 17 to this theory. It says the beasts are four that SHALL ARISE from the earth. Babylon had clearly already risen since Daniel was captive there. I could almost make the case that Medo-Persia had already risen since they had already conquered much of the surrounding areas and were only two years away from taking the city of Babylon, but I won’t. I believe the animal descriptions are about their future in the end times. Therefore, I believe the lion is Medo-Persia. It’s wings are stripped then it stands upright and is given the heart of a man. There are many prophecies about Elam that state her kings and princes will be destroyed but her fortune will be restored. Jeremiah 49 even says that God will set his throne in Elam. Medo-Persia is the only beast kingdom that did not invade Jerusalem but actually restored it. I believe this is why there are many positive prophecies about Elam after its purging by Jesus. Next, the bear is Greece. Leaning up on one side indicates the eastern part of Greece, Turkey. The three ribs in its mouth indicate the three kings that will be uprooted by the antichrist from this region and he certainly will devour much flesh. The leopard is the ottoman empire. The four heads represent the four kingdoms that will rise once the prominent horn is broken off, Daniel chapter 8. The fourth and final beast is of course the kingdom of the antichrist that is to come. This beast will have the 10 horns when another horn uproots three of the first horns, etc.

    I also agree that Islam is the iron in Daniel 2. Some weaker people will join them, clay. I’m not sure who this will be. Foreign fighters from abroad or Christians that are deceived? Just guesses.

    I would love your feedback, thank you, Tony.

  • Joel
    Posted at 23:23h, 06 August

    Hi Tony,

    The word for “shall arise” in the Aramaic doesn’t actually have a future tense. It is simply arise.

    I still lean toward a historical interpretation of Daniel 7, though there could be some future application as well. Still somewhat unsettled. Though I would see the Lion as Iraq and go from there. Mark Davison has a good book that offers some similar suggestions.

  • Joel
    Posted at 23:25h, 06 August

    First, how did you get PSW Watson’s book?

    Second, this is something I have never considered. (Would need to get a copy of Watson’s book to better chew on the idea. 🙂 ) Though it seems as though this could be accounted for by the fact that Daniel was speaking directly to Nebuchadnezzar perhaps?

  • Rachel
    Posted at 02:09h, 07 August

    Watson’s book is available online thru the Turpin library of Dallas Theological Seminary at http://rarebooks.dts.edu/viewbook.aspx?bookid=1409. I agree that Daniel did put the king first out of respect; however, the order still changes the meaning as explained. Watson’s book is worth reading.

  • Joel
    Posted at 09:02h, 07 August

    I’ll check it out. Thanks much.

  • Aman
    Posted at 15:19h, 07 August

    Hi Joel,

    I eagerly wait for your videos everytime. I like the way you present the truth and revelations. God strengthen you much abundantly.

    I am from Eritrea. My heart always burn for the suffering of my people, and wonder if there is any word of hope in the prophecies concerning Africa. Or else are we like what many agree “America is not in the prophecy” thing ? I know this will make you smile, but I kind of felt to rely on your wisdom for revelations of the word of God.

    May God lead all your way and multiply your wisdom of understanding

  • Ashley
    Posted at 01:31h, 08 August

    Thank you, Joel! These videos are very helpful.

  • Joel
    Posted at 15:12h, 08 August


    Presently traveling. Here is something that includes Eritrea. It odes not fully answer your question, but begins to do so. I would briefly say that those nations that are poor, and humble, yet patiently entire before the Lord will be shining gems in the age to come. The age to come will see the “great reversal” of so much in this present age.

    Blessings to you!

  • Pam
    Posted at 02:49h, 10 August

    I first heard you speak at the Prophecy Conference at El Shaddai! I was so intrigued by your explanation of the 4th beast of Daniel 2 being an Islamic nation! I had been taught that it was a Revived Roman Empire and I too have been looking to the European Union and counting the nations!

    The maps you used in your explanation were so helpful to understand. Where might I find these! I will be leading a study on the book of Daniel and would find these very useful in presenting a different interpretation of this 4th kingdom!

    Thank you for your excellent teaching of the Scriptures and your heart to teach others and to share the gospel! I have been so blessed by you!

    I thank my God that I “stumbled” across Mark Biltz ministry and you!

    The blessing of the Lord be upon you1

  • Mike
    Posted at 17:59h, 12 August

    You you have commented in previous presentations that we, as Christians,
    need to love Muslims and not let our love grow cold in these lawless times. I struggle with this. There are the rank and file Muslims (ignorant of their religeon) and then there are the radical Muslim leaders and their vicious minions who commit unspeakable atrocities against all who won’t submit. Can I not both love Muslims and fight against those who would threaten my family and my nation?

  • Joel
    Posted at 18:01h, 12 August

    Hi Mike,

    If someone is attacking your family, then of course you can. I know I certainly would. But has this happened recently?

  • Mark Johnston
    Posted at 10:33h, 16 August

    Hi Joel
    Thanks for your great work. I have a question. You believe (reasonably) that the final empire before Christ’s return is Islamic. Does this mean in your view that the Islamic Caliphate(s) will actually achieve a degree of world domination? Does this mean that the United Nations will kow tows to Islam or do you see the rule as a more fragmented one, world wide. If this is the case how can a world ruler control the ecomonmies of the world with the mark of the beast. I have heard Walid Shoebat argue that the world here does not mean the entire world but more the Middle East. He (and I think yourself) claim that the use of the Greek word ‘ge’ rather than ‘kosmos’ argues against his control being over all the world. But surely the language of Revelation strongly suggests world wide control. Chapter 13 V 7 says ” he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation”. This sounds universal. I would appreciate your thoughts.Keep up the great work. Mark

  • Joel
    Posted at 14:39h, 16 August

    Hi Marc,

    I take a whole chapter to explain this in my book Mideast Beast.I see it as more regional than universal. Yes, some passages, such as Rev 13:7 sound universal, but this verse is almost identical to others such as

    King Nebuchadnezzar, To the nations and peoples of every language, who live in all the earth: May you prosper greatly! Dan 4:1

    Then King Darius wrote to all the nations and peoples of every language in all the earth: “May you prosper greatly! Dan 6:25

    Yet neither or these wold be understood as universal, not due to the language, but context.

  • Paul
    Posted at 18:07h, 16 August

    Hi Joel,

    I was wondering if you have come across a work called: ISLAM AND NAZI GERMANY’S WAR by David Motadel?

    It was published last year and is available in America. It is: “…the first comprehensive account of Berlin’s remarkably ambitious attempts to build an alliance with the Islamic world…drawing on archival research in 3 continents, Motadel explains how German officials tried to promote the 3rd Reich as a patron of Islam. He explores Berlin’s policies and propaganda in the Muslim war zones, and the extensive work that authorities undertook for the recruitment, spiritual care, and ideological indoctrination of tens of thousands of Muslim volunteers who fought in the Wehrmacht and the SS.”

    Motadel himself is a Research Fellow in History at Caius College, University of Cambridge, England (so he knows his stuff!).

    It makes for fascinating reading….

    Thanks so much for the UNDERGROUND by the way, I caught your interview with Jerry: fantastic!

    Also, thanks so much for COVENANT AND CONTROVERSY: The Great Rage.
    Very powerful, and really needs showing in churches, bonus interviews, also, very informative.

    What a terrible history the Church has, when it comes to the Jewish people…and how in contrary to the Apostle Paul, from Romans ch9-11…

    Thanks for making this film, look forward to the others…

    The Lord bless you.

    Paul- England (UK)

  • Joel
    Posted at 19:22h, 16 August

    Hi Paul,

    Have not heard of it until now. Will pick up a copy. Thank you very much friend!

  • Shelly
    Posted at 15:35h, 21 September

    Thought provoking episode! Can you help me understand how this interpretation links to Rev 17:10-11?

  • Joel
    Posted at 15:53h, 21 September

    Hi Shelly,

    It causes Revelation 17:10-11 to suddenly make sense. After Rome (the sixth), or one that “is” (was at the time of John), then comes the seventh which has a second phase (the eighth). This seventh and eighth correlate to the legs of iron and feet. If we seek to insert the legs and feet into Revelation 17 as Rome, then there is an extra head that does not fit. With Islam, it fits perfectly. Rome is the sixth head. The historical Islamic Empire, is the seventh, the Islamic Antichrist revival is the eight. The eighth is the feet of mixed clay and iron.

  • Rik Yantis
    Posted at 02:34h, 18 October


    Do you think that the 10 toes are significant. Do they relate to the ten crowns and ten horns of Revelation 13?

    In Revelation 13 there are blasphemous names on each of the 7 heads. Do you have any ideas about that? Do the heads represent people groups or seven different dynasties of the same nation?

    Posted at 05:46h, 11 November

    Thank you.

  • Ray
    Posted at 13:32h, 09 June

    This was awesome. I have listened to Mike Bickle’s Daniel teaching, which I think is excellent. But I have always struggled placing the Roman Empire as the 4th empire. I could not get it to sit correctly on my
    conscience or teach it with confidence in Bible Studies. Now I have to research this, as it seems to make more practical sense. Thanks Joel!

  • Robin Nelson
    Posted at 15:56h, 25 July

    I’m told that the word daesh means (or sounds like something in Arabic that means) ‘to trample.’

  • Josef Grundner
    Posted at 08:36h, 04 February

    Hello Joel, I came to your site by accident. For two days I spend a lot of time with your videos and articles. Unfortunately, there is a small language barrier – I’m from Bavaria / Germany.

    I am currently doing a sermon line on Daniel and I am currently in Chapter 2. The question that emerges is, of course, what is the fourth kingdom. Your view that this is Islam I find very interesting. But there are still a few questions:

    1. Was there a marriage policy in the history of Islam? This is said in verse 43.

    2. The marriage policy would fit best with the Diadochi kingdoms, especially the Seleucids and the Ptolemies, and that too would have been a divided empire from the beginning. That would fit. Then one only has the problem that this does not last until the coming Messianic Empire, or it is assumed that the Ottoman Empire will re-emerge and that then will be the new King of the North. Daniel 9 would already be fulfilled by Antiochius Epiphanes – what do you have from this view?

    3. If Islam is the fourth empire, how can it be clarified that the kingdom was and is not and will be again? Islam was never gone?

    4. How would you explain the gap from the Third Reich (Greek Empire) to the emergence of Islam? In between would be about 900 years. Or about 700, if you count the Diadoches to the Greek Empire.

    I would be very grateful if you coud tell me something here. Does the DVD have a German subtitle? If not, I´ll just have to improve my Englich a bit

    Greetings from Bavaria!

    God bless you!


  • Joel
    Posted at 11:36h, 04 February

    Hi Joseph,

    There is nothing specific to marriage in verse 43. Rather it is about “mixing” (the word by the way in Hebrew is arab). Even as Islam has always been an Arab-supremecist project, it was never able to fully arabize the Persians, or the Turks for example. It is next to impossible to see the Diadochi kingdoms as a new empire, i.e.., the fourth. It is a new empire. Note that in Daniel 8 and 11 the diadochi kingdoms are not treated as a new empire, but an extension of the original Alexandrian Empire. See for example Daniel 8 where the kingdom is said to have broken up into four. It is not treated as a new empire. Neither do most historians. Those who do this are often preterists seeking to (in my opinion) twist Scripture to fit their pre-determined preterist assumptions. Islam as an Empire ceased to exist with Attaturk and the abolition of the Caliphate. This is why the rally call is for the revival of the Caliphate today. Islam has not gone away, but its empire has. The gap is not a problem. Nothing in the text disallows for a gap. Every view has a gap. Even the traditional Roman view for example, has a 1500 gap in between the feet and the legs.


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