You say that Turkey and Iran will battle, i saw your video you did on this while in the middle east, on Daniel 8. In Ezekiel 38,39 it says turkey will be allied wit Iran (Persia). Is it likely that they will battle ( Daniel 8) then the anti Christ will command peace, causing the two to become allied (ezekiel 38).
Dang, Pat Robertson doesn’t mess around! It’s so satisfying to see him-in only 19 minutes-cut right through the fat and to the heart with such great questions.
Something along those lines. I think after Turkey conquers Iran, there will be a new government, and Iran will submit to Turkey’s leadership.
Appreciate your work. What do you think the significance is of Daniel 10, (in particular the great war in verse 1)? Ignoring the chapter divisions in Daniel chs 10-12, it appears to refer to his one last vision, and then the angels explanation & interpretation.
Do you think the ‘great war’ relates to Persia and is the Daniel 8 war b/t the Ram (Iran) and Goat (Turkey), or could it be Armageddon? Is there any significance in verse 20 with the Prince of Persia & the Prince of Greece and this war?
I’d be interested to know your thoughts on the context of Chapter 10 and its relationship to chapters 11 & 12.
Another great job of communicating this “new” end times paradigm. I agree with what someone said- Pat R. did an excellent job asking the right questions. The only question I was hoping he would have asked was this one- what is the next event from the Bible we could be looking for? I seem to think the peace treaty or covenant. What do you think?
Very good interview Joel, i would have liked Pat for my Granddad.
An elderly sister and i found out for ourselves (though maps) the truth about Magog ect. All of your notes totally sealed the deal, especially ch38v17.
O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. Isa 10v5-6
Absolutely describe Ez 38 and the ac being given the thought to go against the land. Thanks again to your notes Joel.
Also i found a quite interesting article.
Talking about the Assyrian scrolls and the history of how Magog ect came to called Russia.
I’m by no means Joel, but could I interject my most humble, uneducated, “nobody” opinion? Ha!
It appears to be Daniel 8.
Yep. That’s what indicators seem to show if you watch and follow Mideast developments. Iran and Turkey are hot at it in “proxy wars” in “Fast and Furious” style seeking dominance in the Middle East. If you follow Author Mark Davidson’s blog, “Daniel Revisited” he has been publicly stating this since I believe 2010 with his premiere book and it appears we are well on our way. It has been nothing short of astonishing to see how events are playing out, and Mark has done an outstanding job of chronicling what is happening. Iran is not quite there yet as the prophesied “Ram” that charges forth with astounding success, but the great influence Iran is flexing is not to be ignored by prophecy students, imo.
I would highly recommend you start paying attention to Mark Davidson’s blog for more information in conjunction with Joel’s Trumpet to get a fuller understanding of impending developments on this matter.
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Hey, thanks for the insight and the blog. I see he wrote a book, Daniel Revisited. I’m ordering it now. I just got Joel’s book from Amazon in the mail so Mark’s will be next. I just finished another great book, Kingdom of the Antichrist by Richard Neal. I learned a lot about Gnosticism and Muslim eschatology, especially who “Jesus, mother of Mary” is and the possibilities this person can bring to the end times table. Fascinating stuff.
So, based on what you said, it sounds like Daniel 8 is being interpreted from an end times perspective and not so much a rehash of history- Greece Empire replaced Persian Empire, as set forth in Daniel 2. Or maybe it is a near- far thing. Anyhow, thanks for the heads up, I’m on it.
When you read Mark Davidson’s book, “Daniel Revisited” you will see clearly how so many got it so wrong for so long because Daniel 8 means what it says and says what it means (vs. 17 & 19) and Angel Gabriel even says it twice! Clearly, Angel Gabriel states it is “at the TIME OF THE END.” Mark Davidson did a magnificent job in his book explaining it in detail and you will enjoy the book and enlarge your understanding of Daniel Chapters 7 & 8.
P.S. He is working on another book as a follow-up to which I believe he said is on Daniel 10-12, I think. Stay tuned for more info on that score through his blog.
Just a thought, here, but I have noticed the USA has since WW1 joined England in their overall objective in the Middle East- CHAOS. Obama seems to be following this pattern very well, especially in light of the fact he is the first President to make Saudi Arabia actually defend itself since British Petroleum discovered oil.
Second thought: I watched Jack Van Impe go from “Islam is an offshoot of Christianity” to “Islam is the religion of the AntiChrist”, within a few years after Bush 2 lied to the American people and declared Islam is “peaceful”. It sounds like you have convinced Van Impe, confirmed Hagee, convinced Glen Beck and now, Praise the Lord, Rev. Pat Robertson!!HALLELUJAH!!! Now, one more to go, Hal Lindsay- he is still stuck in the days of the cold war and the Scofield Bible. Any word from Mr. Lindsay?
Finally, do you see Russia as a Christian nation and do you believe their new identity as Christian is in conflict with the USA and the European Union leadership, which is anti- Christianity/pro Islam. Is this the source of the new “Cold war”?
Joel: You told Pat R. that Gog was the Antichrist. How can that be so when God buried him in Israel
and then he is thrown alive into the lake of fire at the end? I go with Hal Lindsey and those who you
say lead us wrong….Ned
Whenever the claim that Antichrist and Gog are the same individual is made, a common objection frequently brought up goes something like this: “The Antichrist cannot be Gog, because the Antichrist is cast alive into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20) whereas Gog is buried according to (Ezekiel 39:11).” When we consult the full mosaic of Scriptural references that speak to this issue however, we find that the Antichrist is most definitely killed by Jesus and his body is buried in a mass grave. Let’s look at the evidence.
First, let us note that Daniel informs us that the Beast/Antichrist will be killed:
“Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. Daniel 7:11
Later, Paul also informs us that the Antichrist will be slain by Jesus when He returns:
Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8
Elsewhere, Isaiah informs us that the Antichrist, though he considers himself a King, will not be buried in a proper royal sepulcher, but will instead be buried in a pit or mass grave and covered with the corpses of those from his own army:
“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! “But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the recesses of the north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ “Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, to the recesses of the pit. “Those who see you will gaze at you, they will ponder over you, saying, ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a wilderness and overthrew its cities, who did not allow his prisoners to go home?’ All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb. But you have been cast out of your tomb like a rejected branch, clothed with the slain who are pierced with a sword, who go down to the stones of the pit like a trampled corpse. Isaiah 14
In light of the full range of Scriptural evidence, we see that the Antichrist will both be killed and his body buried in a mass grave, covered with the bodies of others who were slain. We must therefore conclude that the reference in Revelation 19:20 to the beast being cast alive into hell is a reference to his soul remaining alive to consiously experience the torments of hell. The claim that the Antichrist cannot be the same as Gog because one is buried and the other thrown alive into hell is seen to be a fallacy that is not in accordance with Scripture.
I hope this has been helpful.
What I don’t understand is that the gog magog war comes after the 1000 years of peace, revelation 20. Yet everybody is talking about it now.
Can someone please explain this ?
There are two different wars referred to as Gog Magog. One is spoken of in Ezekiel 38-39, the other in Revelation 20. Although sharing a common name, there are simply too many dramatic difference between these two passages to see them as the same event.
Ok, thank you !
Two different wars, that explains it. It is hard sometimes to see the difference with all those events.
Do you think that 1000 years are really 1000 years?
Although there will be no doubt multiple battles in the last days. There is nothing in the text to suggest that Ezekiel speaks of two different wars. Ezekiel 38-39 is a singular oracle.
No, but the gog magog war mentioned in ezechiël is different than the one that is mentioned in rev. 20, right? I understood it like that. That makes my question answered. Thank you !
Blessings to you & your family !
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